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Hale,
This is turning into quite a saga and not until you look back at your email
history and the dates, will you realize that the campaign you waged on ATAPI
was in T13 and not SFF.
Remember, SFF did not control 8020 after it was handed over to X3T10 in May
1995 and the dates on most of your correspondence are after that date. Most
of the email on ATAPI that I can find originated by you came over the ATAPI
reflector after October 1995.
> > - Personal emails to editors don't count, and never will count. You
> > cannot get peer review if you keep your concerns private. Unless
> > an issue is aired it will not receive a review by peers.
> Ahhh... Finally I see what I did wrong! This is something that
> everyone should remember: Editors of documents do not accept private
> emails with comments about their documents! Wow, if I had only know
> that all these years!
You have known that all these years!
Editors of documents are under no obligation to accept comments they
disagree with. When your comments are not accepted you have to go to the
committee and win your points to outvote the editor.
- You know the committee system,
- You authored SFF Specifications
- You never changed anything you disagreed with because of an email
Your hot button during 1994 was not ATAPI, it was drives >528MB in size.
There are pages of material in the ENDL Letter about your explanations on
CHS algorithms for the SFF-8019 Specification you edited entitled 'Identify
Drive Data for Disk Drives up to 8GB'.
There is nothing wrong with your memory of disputes with Devon and trying to
get things changed, but they did not occur prior to May 1995. You were an
independent at the ATA-3 Study Group in October 1994. Your intensity of
interest in ATAPI did not begin until October 1995, and that was in
correspondence with the T13 committee. Your campaign on ATAPI did not kick
into gear until after 8020 left SFF, and it has continued to this day.
None of my responses have relied on abbreviated committee minutes for the
facts. The ENDL Letter reported in excruciating detail on every interface
meeting during the timeframe in question.
>From late 1994 until the formal handover to X3T10 in May 1995, the work on
8020 was directed towards wrapping up and shutting down SFF development. The
paragraph below from the ENDL Letter coverage of the SCSI Multi Media
Commands WG in January 1995 shows how far underway the transition to
standards control was.
Ron Roberts (Consultant) recently took over as leader and editor from
Norm Harris (Adaptec). The immediate task confronting the group is the
integration of ATAPI (ATA Packet Interface) CD-ROM (Compact Disk Read
Only Memory) commands as specified in SFF-8020 into the SCSI-3 draft.
Relevant portions of the ATAPI specification had been imported pretty
much intact but as yet no critical review had been conducted. In
several areas, ATAPI uses fields or values somewhat differently to
'pure' SCSI. No major problems are foreseen, but that's not likely to
prevent some heated discussions.
The last SFF SSWG on ATAPI was in November 1994, after that all the work was
done in X3T10 working groups (because an ATAPI project had been approved).
Rev 2.0 was to be handed over to T10 in May, and that should have been the
end of SFF involvement with ATAPI. However, editor Devon Worrell tried an
end run on the ATA Working Group by including command overlap in it and had
his head handed to him on a platter. Rather than delay the handover, it was
decided to develop a revision which deleted the offending content and then
have SFF distribute it as an Information specification i.e. SFF-8020i or
INF-8020.
ATAPI wallowed somewhat after it left SFF:
- SFF no longer had control.
- T10 had a project that produced an INF-8020 spec, not a standard
- T13 voted to do nothing on ATAPI until after ATA-3 was completed
If you want to continue this dialog, let's do it off the reflector.
Give me a call and we can share our notes to reach a common understanding.
Dal
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Date: Sun Oct 15, 1995 6:42 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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TO: * Dal Allan / MCI ID: 250-1752
Subject: Comments on X3T10 1120
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Date: Wed Oct 18, 1995 4:03 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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TO: * Dal Allan / MCI ID: 250-1752
Subject: how many atapi specs?
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Date: Thu Oct 19, 1995 1:39 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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TO: * Dal Allan / MCI ID: 250-1752
Subject: ATAPI spec's in ZIP files please...
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Date: Sun Sep 22, 1996 1:35 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: Have I got good one this time...
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Date: Sun Sep 22, 1996 1:52 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: oh, and there is more...
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Date: Wed Sep 18, 1996 10:55 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: re: ATAPI and DRDY etc
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Date: Thu Nov 07, 1996 7:15 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: comments and questions on A0H command
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Date: Fri Nov 15, 1996 5:32 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: ata and atapi configurations
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Date: Sat Nov 09, 1996 1:01 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: comments and questions on A0H command continued
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Date: Fri Mar 28, 1997 8:46 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: LUN and command queuing
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Date: Mon May 12, 1997 9:41 pm EST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: lots of confusion and disagreement...
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Date: Thu May 15, 1997 12:15 am EST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: reminder: there is no DSC bit in ATA-ATAPI-4
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Date: Tue May 13, 1997 4:28 pm EST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: reset again -- summary and proposed wording change
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Date: Wed May 07, 1997 9:04 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: dma-srst-features reg-etc
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Date: Fri May 09, 1997 6:13 pm PST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: reset confusion
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Date: Fri Dec 19, 1997 1:43 am EST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: Re: Use of Byte Count Registers
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Date: Mon Dec 22, 1997 6:33 pm EST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: Re: Use of Byte Count Registers -Reply
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Date: Mon Dec 22, 1997 6:47 pm EST
From: Hale Landis
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Subject: Re: A0h Packet use of 1F1.01h Illegal Length Indicator
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