NopMap wrote: > M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> Seems a high number to me, but even if it was true: this means that >> 80% of all trees are not tagged according to what you consider the >> valid definition. I think at this point we should adjust the tag >> description to what is actually tagged and not what has been written >> there for years and nobody (well, 80%) cared for it or took it >> literally. Or what would be the alternative that you suggest? > > That is not true. There already is an extension tag, denotation=avenue or > denotation=urban and some people have used it when mass-mapping generic > trees.
According to tagstat, denotation is used ~2,600 times, which is less than 1% of the 372,969 trees. So maybe Martin's statement that ~80% didn't consider the wiki definition authoritative isn't true, but does "~79% didn't consider the definition authoritative" really change the situation? I /do/ agree that additional tags such as denotation is a solution for the problem, though. But imo, we shouldn't rely on tagging all ordinary trees with a "nothing special about this tree" tag. Instead, we should tag those trees that are something special - which also allows us to indicate what's so special about that tree. If a tree doesn't have additional tags, the obvious interpretation would be that it's, well, just an ordinary tree. > This is compatible extension. It's not compatible with ~79% of the existing uses according to your own estimate. It's not compatible with JOSM's presets either (they assume that natural=tree means "tree", and mappers using them relied on this). And it's certainly not compatible with the intention of unsuspecting mappers who used natural=tree without looking up a definition - because the meaning seemed completely obvious to them. A failure to adapt the wiki definition to majority use by removing the "lone or significant" limitation would start an eternal struggle against the massive influx of trees tagged "incorrectly" by mappers relying on their common sense. Tobias Knerr _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
