On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Tobias Knerr <o...@tobias-knerr.de> wrote:
> Well, according to the definition it _is_ erroneous. > Amen. Now the real question is whether we should change the definition.(...) would there be any reason left to prefer mini_roundabout > for roundabouts that are "not strictly a mini-roundabout"? After reading through the thread that brings out various good points I think that we should: 1) Allow tagging of small-ish roundabouts with merely a junction=roundabout tagged node. It's provides a good first crack at mapping things. 2) Especially allow (if not encourage) tagging of small (if not miniature) sized roundabouts with a center island / that are not-traversible with junction=roundabout 3) We should not confuse mini-roundabout and small "miniature" roundabouts. They are clearly different types of objects just like culverts and bridges (which are also often confused). - I checked and fixed all of Caribbean and found zero mini-roundabouts (for those spots that had good enough imagery). Most were small roundabouts, many turning circles, some "turning loops" (not many), few dead-ends with clearly no reason for any turning*/junction tag. As I can't really understand why we should continue to tag things evidently wrong I also fixed Southern Florida up to the level of I-595/I-75. In FL the biggest problems were center island (->junction=roundabout), turning_circles, some "turning loops", no dead-ends. I found 4 real mini-roundabouts in S. FL: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/99383970 & http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/99383976 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1747303715 & http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1747303913 I think the reason for this confusion is pretty clearly the - missing support for tagging small roundabouts by just tagging the node with junction=roundabout - lack of emphasis on the documentation that mini-roundabouts are not just small roundabouts - combined with the fact that few people in the US have seen mini-roundabouts. - and the normal mistakes that come with a wiki-like Open community-based system. (Which I assume to be the biggest reason for wrongly tagged turning_circles, the sign of the mini-roundabout is so tempting..). All in all, nothing that we shouldn't simply fix and move on. Now, should we change the mini_roundabout from highway=* to junction=* -- I don't care / have a strong opinion but it's probably easier not to touch it. Cheers from Haiti, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh -- jaa...@helleranta.com * Skype: jhelleranta * Mobile: +509-37-269154 * http://go.hel.cc/MyProfile
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