I had never tagged a noexit=yes, neither node=yes nor way=yes, but I find it sensible to declare it as false positive in QA tools. Agree that the tag is less meaningful on ways. Yves
On 31 mai 2014 06:51:59 UTC+02:00, bulwersator <bulwersa...@zoho.com> wrote: >noexit=yes on ways makes absolutely no sense and mentioning this >tagging style on wiki suggests otherwise. > >---- On Fri, 30 May 2014 17:16:29 -0700 André Pirard ><a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com> wrote ---- > > > On 2014-05-30 18:47, SomeoneElse wrote : > >5388b60f.9080...@mail.atownsend.org.uk" type="cite"> We had a long >discussion in >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-April/017247.html > > and now I saw in the English wiki > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:noexit this: > > "Use the noexit=yes tag on a way to indicate that the way is leading > to a dead end." > > I really don't remember having a consensus about this (and thus this > info shouldn't be in the wiki). >Although many people including me were saying that noexit=yes is >absolute nonsense on a way, Pieren was insisting very much to allow it >that manner because people were tagging it that manner, but without >saying what those people mean, if anything. > And he modified the noexit=yes page; "without consensus" as you say. >I am the person who, wisely I hope, split the page in two parts, "node" >and "way" so that anything funny could be written under "way" without >destroying the well agreed "node" part, which is sensible except that >the term "noexit=yes" is a mistake bait: it should have been called >something like "intentional=yes" (polite tournure for QA=shutup). >As we didn't know "what those people mean", I put it the only polite >guess I could think of beside "nonsense"; "indicate that the way is >leading to a dead end" while saying loudly that the least that could be >done is telling toward which direction it leads to a dead end. >I was thanked and there was a single comment at the right time it was >to make them: that "way" usage should be deprecated. >My own opinion is that all those "noexit=yes" should be bulk erased >(with an explanatory message to the author) and that those QAs should >do their job fully by reporting "noexit=yes" on nodes where they have >no (false) error to report in the first place. >Pieren asked my reasons "for no way" privately, I replied (in French) >and he did not reply further. > >BTW, the only sort of explanation for a non-intentional=yes noexit=yes >is indicating that it's not an unfinished highway. To which I replied >that it's wiser to tag the unfinished highways visibly than to embark >upon tagging every other dead end invisibly. > >Consensus: I am asking it to replace in the "node" part "This tag is >mainly useful" with "This tag is only useful", as there is no other >explained reason than QA deterrent and because that phrasing leads >taggers to invent other reasons. > Please state your opinion, of course. > >5388b60f.9080...@mail.atownsend.org.uk" type="cite">So edit the wiki >to say that there's no concensus, and add a citation linking to the >tagging list discussion? >As it is clearly understood, It's up to you and their dog to modify the >"way" part of that page any manner you see fit, including the phrase >you cite as long as it continues to contains the shunting word "way" >(but hitting one's mates isn't allowed). > Why nobody did it yet is a deep mystery. >Notice that someone re-introduced, "because it has been forgotten" he >said, the phrase "... at the end of a highway ..." to which I found >necessary to add "... on the node at the end" and that is under "Usage" >after all the very necessary warnings. >5388b60f.9080...@mail.atownsend.org.uk" type="cite"> That would make >the page more honest than it is at the moment. > Thank you for the word "honesty"! > Contrarily to the other ones, my change has been duly announced. > >Please note that this is a summary of what has already been written and >hopefully my last message about this. > > 5388b60f.9080...@mail.atownsend.org.uk" type="cite">Cheers, > > Andy > > (who tends to use the wiki rather like a drunk uses a lamppost) >"Hello lamppost, what you knowing? I've come to watch your flowers >growing ..." ;-) (Simon & Garfunkel) > > message_exit=yes as they tag it ;-) > Cheers, > > André. > > _______________________________________________ >Tagging mailing list >Tagging@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Tagging mailing list >Tagging@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Envoyé de mon téléphone Android avec K-9 Mail. Excusez la brièveté. _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
