On 2014-06-09 12:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : > > 2014-06-09 8:31 GMT+02:00 André Pirard <a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com > <mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com>>: > > And that maxspeed thing is the strangest one ever. > source=* almost says that source:maxspeed > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed>=* is an > admitted mistake but that you are not compelled to make the > mistake and that you are allowed to correctly use maxspeed:type > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:type>=*. > > > > Actually the "source:maxspeed" tag was discussed years ago (2009 IIRR) > on this list and by the time approved. The idea to use maxspeed:type > instead is very new compared to this, and there wasn't any actual > proposal to see whether this was backed by the community, rather then > what appears to be a national initiative of some folk in the british > comunity in order to make up something different to how it is done > elsewhere: > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/maxspeed%3Atype#map > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/source:maxspeed#map
Thanks for this piece of history and survey, Martin. But my point is not liking but just being logical. I find it very strange to say: use source:maxspeed <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed>=* for type, but if you need to use source as source, use maxspeed:type <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:type>=*. Especially if you deal with someone else's tags and you must transfer their source:maxspeed <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed>=* to maxspeed:type <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:type>=*. before adding your own source:maxspeed <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed>=* !!! And, further more, that this explanation is mentioned only for source=* and not for maxspeed=*, and that national instructions and presets reflect only the latter, totally missing the point and aggravating the situation. Is it too simple to simply use maxspeed:type <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:type>=*? Yes, I know, I'm not fuzzy enough ;-) > If there was a proposal and a discussion whether to use maxspeed:type > rather then wiki fiddling, I guess we could still change the key name > / tagging scheme, given that there would sufficient support by the > comunity which also implies that there would be some net benefit from > changing. > > On the (connected) question of tagging sources on single objects or to > a changeset we appearantly can't find consensus, at least it wasn't > possible in the past years. A lot of mappers are insisting on this way > of tagging even if the associated problems cannot be solved (mainly > how to deal with these tags when you perform modifications on an object). I have just mapped a bus line. While doing it, I made dozens of corrections because, pardon me, OSM needs them badly (access=yes, bicycle=yes, foot=yes, motor-vehicle=yes, repeated JOSM congratulations etc.). Who does seriously think that a mapper will purge his bus changes in order to make other changes without mixing sources? I even had compelling reasons to make a global update (saving to OSM local file). The changeset source idea comes from bulk importers for which it's all-right. > > And as we are #2 when generalizing source:maxspeed > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed>=survey we > are making using maxspeed:type > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed:type>=* mandatory. > > > we won't probably make anything "mandatory". Best is to use OSM consequently, each our own way, as our reputation. André.
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