2014-09-19 16:15 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>:
> > 2014-09-19 14:22 GMT+02:00 Dan S <danstowell+...@gmail.com>: > >> >> for buildings: building=residential + residential=university + >> operator=* >> OR >> for sites: landuse=residential + residential=university + operator=* >> >> Note that the same scheme seems to me to work well for building and for >> landuse. > > > > I am not sure if this "works". Have you been looking at current values for > the "residential" key? These are the ones with more than 100 uses: > > rural <http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/residential=rural> > 78 141 > > - > > urban <http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/residential=urban> > 12 698 > > - > > garden <http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/residential=garden> > 3 805 > > - > > gated <http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/residential=gated> > 884 > > - > > apartments <http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/residential=apartments> > 231 > > - > > single_family > <http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/residential=single_family> > 197 > > - > > detached <http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/residential=detached> > 133 > > > Thanks Martin. Yes I did look at these. NONE of them have a wiki page, nor does the residential=* tag in general, so I'm at a loss to work out what is intended by them! * Surely the rural/urban distinction is judged by location? Could you have residential=rural in the town centre? Maybe (since the tag isn't documented) but I would guess not. So what's the tag for? Does it designate context, building style, building density...? * Surely apartments/detached/single_family should be properties of the building objects? * residential=garden I quite like, but it seems to duplicate leisure=garden and it seems strange to me to consider gardens as "residential" since usually no-one lives in the garden. I wonder if it was ever discussed much. * residential=gated I like. In theory you can use barrier=* and access=* to indicate the unusual access constraints for gated residences, but actually it's not always obvious as that, since non-gated communities might also have fences etc. So this tag seems to me like it might make a useful distinction. > There are already at least 3 different systems (one for rural / urban and > one for the building typology (detached / single_family / apartments) and > one for gated communities (what's this, socio-economic aspect of urbanism > maybe?). Now you seem to be adding yet another one, "university" for > student's appartments (not really self explaining IMHO). > So if not self-explaining, what misunderstandings of "residential=university" could happen? It seems quite self-explaining to me, so I'd be grateful if you could offer your perspective of potential misunderstandings of "residential=university". > I would use a specific tag for the building typology (e.g. > building=dormitory or student_accomodation or similar if the building was > built as such) and another one if it is actually used as such (e.g. under > the amenity key as suggested by Tobias). > Understood. For the building, at least, the subtag works, if used to indicate building typology. > I don't see this as a case for adding a specific landuse value, but I do > agree that refining the generic "residential" into more differentiated > values by subtagging might be a general option (regardless of this > particular case of student accomodation), e.g. differentiate according to > density and > > structure (open / closed, not sure about the precise term in English, for > reference see these two pictures: > open (=space between buildings) > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offene_Bauweise_%28Baurecht%29#mediaviewer/File:Offene_Bauweise.png > closed (buildings without space between them): > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschlossene_Bauweise_%28Baurecht%29#mediaviewer/File:Geschlossene_Bauweise.png > In British English this seems to me to "detached" vs "semi-detached" vs "terrace" (though there's not a 1:1 concept match). Again, though, it's not clear to me why you'd want to tag residential areas as having these properties, since they're already commonly indicated via the tags/geometry of the building objects. Thanks again for your detailed reply. Best Dan
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