I'd also agree to "optional". How do you consider my alternative term "free". It is short and positive, but some people may read it as a synonyme of "gratis".
Cheers Ulrich Am 14.12.2014 um 11:52 schrieb tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org: > When I see 'facultatif' in French, I normally translate this as > 'optional' in English. You will find 'facultative' in the Oxford English > Dictionary, but it will be a meaningless word to most English people. > > Steve > > On 14/12/2014 10:35, Ulrich Lamm wrote: >> >> Am 13.12.2014 um 10:56 schrieb tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org >> <mailto:tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org>: >> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:14:29 +0000 >>> From: SomeoneElse <li...@atownsend.org.uk >>> <mailto:li...@atownsend.org.uk>> >>> To:tagging@openstreetmap.org <mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Survey of street/road layouts and their tagging >>> Message-ID: <548b1465.60...@atownsend.org.uk >>> <mailto:548b1465.60...@atownsend.org.uk>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >>> >>> On 12/12/2014 13:13, Ulrich Lamm wrote: >>>> >>>> Seehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ulamm/Tables_of_street_layouts >>>> >>> >>> This could benefit from an explanation of what problem you're trying to >>> solve here. The wiki's full of "I think we should tag X like Y" pages >>> but without any arguments for a change to motivate mappers to change >>> their habits it's not going to happen. >>> >>> Currently, for example, "obligatory" is used only 40 times, and 10 of >>> those are "nudism": >>> >>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=obligatory#values >>> >>> Also the mainly biological term "facultative" is used as if it's an >>> accepted tag, but there are only 49 uses, in the centre of Bremen: >>> >>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/cycleway=facultative >>> >>> (and it's not common English by any stretch of the imagination - maybe >>> versions of it are more used in Romance languages where the latin root >>> is more obvious) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Andy >> >> All tags I've written in purple are innovative. I. e., they are an >> outcome of logical delibaration, not a record of frequent practice. >> Even myself I didn't use them before suggesting them. >> But only watching practice, we'll never get a set of uneqivocal tools. >> As I've written in the "notes", I have preferred the term >> "obligatory", as it is common in many languages, and it is part of the >> official description of the round blue French traffic sign "piste ou >> bande cyclable obligatoire" = "obligatory cycletrack or cycle lane". >> The counterpart (rectangular blue French sign) is "piste ou bande >> cyclable conseillée et réservée" = "advisory-and-reserved cycletrack >> or cycle lane". There, I suggest "facultative" or simply "free" for >> cycletracks and "soft_lane" fpr cycle lanes. That kind of cycletracks >> (in Germany "Radweg ohne Benutzungspflicht", cycletrack-design without >> signpost) may be used only by cyclists, but needn't be used by them. >> The British traffic law has a similar status for its _strict_ cycle >> lanes, called "mandatory", which puzzles readers of other native >> languages, as according to dicitionaries "mandatory" is almost >> synonyme with "obligatory". >> >> I think it doesn't matter if the term "obligatory" or the term >> "facultative" is also used for other than road traffic features, >> unless the other usage would be in contradiction to the road traffic use. >> >> Cheers >> Ulrich >
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