I want to +1 the idea of using leisure=range. There are some dangerous sports where some people are allowed to be downfield, even if it's just the judges (shot-put, etc.). But with shooting/archery sports, even the judges don't get on the field. That does make a distinction between the types of "playing areas" used. Having a separate tag makes sense to me.
-jack >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 06:24:13 +0900 >From: John Willis <jo...@mac.com> >To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> >Subject: Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting & Shooting Range >Message-ID: <eebf9d40-39ce-4e33-a655-1f00d26f4...@mac.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >That's true - because the proper tag for it was not created yet and >this is a case of tagging for the renderer. > >A sports center may have an indoor range in a larger building, or the >outdoor sports center is not mapped fully. > >But if it is sport=archery + leisure=pitch it should be changed to >leisure=range > >Again, hockey players or even paintballers in the outfit (and >protection) are supposed to be on the pitch when playing. > >No one is supposed to be on 99% of the range when there is practicing >going on. No one. If you are a contestant, you can't be in that area >because you could be easily killed, let alone a bystander. > >This is why it is a range, and not a pitch. > >A range area outlined the place *where you can't be* during practice > >A pitch outlines the place *where you should be* during practice. > >Military has shooting range, not pitch for a reason. > >Having practiced archery and shooting at ranges with the Boy Scouts and >other private places (briefly), the facilities, rules, and no-mans land >rules of the ranges are **exactly** the same. > >Ranges are a place to safely practice a sport. The basic understanding >that "this area is safe for me to propel deadly projectiles meant to >impale people and things because access is restricted" is quite >different than any other sport - so they have a different name for the >facility, and not marking/rendering ranges different than pitches would >be a safety issue. > >They should be rendered differently and tagged differently from >pitches. > >Having a range for guns and a pitch for archery makes no sense. > >Javbw > >> On Apr 13, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Brad Neuhauser ><brad.neuhau...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I get your, er, point, although I don't think you would want to >randomly wander into a batting cage or hockey rink in the middle of >practice either. :) >> >> The bigger issue is there are over 1300 sport=archery tags, and both >on the wiki and in actual usage, leisure=pitch (or sports_centre) is >what's used with them, not range. Maybe there's a distinction one could >make for range, but frankly, archery is the tag that'll let people know >there are likely to be arrows flying around. >> >>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 7:19 AM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I've usually seen leisure=pitch used with archery. Scanning through >the few features tagged with leisure=range, they appear to all be >shooting ranges. >>> >>> The only big difference between them is the noise level and the >length of the projectile. They both have designated stands for the >person, the no-mans land of the range, targets of various forms, and >some kind of projectile containment system (high walls, steel plate, >dirt bank, etc). >>> >>> There are quite a few archery ranges (on school grounds) here in >Japan, and I sure as hell never want to accidentally go on one thinking >it is a pitch. >>> >>> A 3m long traditional bow looks like it could put a practice arrow >through my body. >>> >>> It has the word "range" in its title for a reason -- Typos courtesy of fancy auto-spell technology. _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
