> On Aug 5, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > FWIW, "access" tag and subtags are generally wrong on parking lots in this > context, IMHO, what we normally want to say is that _parking_ is restricted. > Access (e.g. walking there) is typically permissive on these sites. Anyway, > it's documented like this.
you’re right, waking there is allowed. but cars can be physically restricted by a gate. There is a trend at modern shopping malls here (huge outlet malls with 1000+ spaces) to have a separate handicapped parking lot directly in front of the location, surrounded by the highway=pedestrian expanse of the malls main walkway. The very short parking isle into this small lot sometimes has a gate on it opened by the security guard or possibly some official Japan issued remote. This is following the trend at Japanese service areas that have a "handicapped bay" parking at newly remodeled Service Areas on the motorway, completely separate from the main parking (same for motorcycles). This seems to be a new standard, as all of the service areas (I have visited) have had them added in the last couple years. Modern Service Area “Handicapped Bay" https://www.google.com/maps/@35.84261,139.50442,3a,75y,188.69h,82.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjjSOsbRR_lYB1jnQX0ChXg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 separate mall parking with a gate (at the blue disabled turn from the main way, barrier=lift_gate in the shadow) https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1432557,139.5414653,22z/data=!3m1!1e3 separate mall parking without a gate https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7144488,140.2931003,21z/data=!3m1!1e3 <https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7144488,140.2931003,21z/data=!3m1!1e3> The last one I don’t have a picture of, but I have seen a lift gate for each individual space - each space has a lift gate blocking it, as the spaces in the parking structure are on the ground floor directly next to the mall entrance, so people abuse them. Javbw
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