On Mon, 2015-09-28 at 16:25 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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> Am 28.09.2015 um 13:45 schrieb Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk>:
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> > > Is it acceptable to combine amenity=pub & tourism=hotel?
> > I think so, then whichever is searched will be returned. 
> 
> 
> In some cases I would prefer to have 2 different objects here, as
> many properties/attributes  of these may be different. E.g. do they
> have the same opening hours? The same entrance? The same phone
> number? The same name? The same operating business? Does the
> hotelstar rating (if any) apply to the pub? 
They do have the same entrance, the same phone number, the same opening
hours (at least to check-in). The bar staff will check you in at the
bar in between serving beer and the chances are your breakfast will be
served in the bar.
The hotel star rating wouldn't apply to the pub, although you could tag
if it has a GBG sticker on the door :).



> 
> Maybe it's not a problem (e.g. same name and operator, but different
> phone numbers and opening hours could be hotel:phone
> hotel:opening_hours), but if significant properties are different it
> would be better to use distinct osm objects.
You are imagining much bigger, urban, hotels than the usecase I am
thinking.


> 
> > 
> > The hotel also being the pub is very common.
> 
> 
> like sleeping on the tables or drinking in the beds? Surely they
> don't use the same physical space (e.g. ground floor vs. upper
> floor), but I agree that there are businesses that do both, run a pub
> and offer accommodation, and where the whole thing could be seen as
> one entity, maybe there is even room for a new tag, like amenity=inn?

Well you don't usually sleep in the bar, although happens occasionally
in my local :) Bedrooms are separate, but they will allow you to take a
beer to your room.


> There's also the word "tavern", Wikipedia en mentions that both, inn
> and tavern (which had become used interchangeably) had been replaced
> by "pub" ;-)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavern#Great_Britain

Both Inn and Tavern are not really in common useage, tavern tended to
apply to something in a town or city.

Adding a new tag, I think defeats the object, if you are looking for a
pub then you are unlikely to search for an inn.
> 
> Then there are also hotels with (even several) "pubs" and restaurants
> inside them.
> These cases are best mapped with a hotel object (polygon) and pub and
> restaurant objects inside it (IMHO).
For larger places I would agree, although large hotels have bars rather
than a pub.

An example where I have used this tagging 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/699950932

Phil (trigpoint)


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