Struggling to see how this tag improves OSM. Surely it's the trains that are defined as highspeed? The speed of a track, in OSM, is defined by maxspeed tag.
Even tracks designed to be straight & faster than alternatives have restricted speed sections. (It would be hard to stop at a station otherwise).
DaveF On 10/07/2017 22:42, Michael Reichert wrote:
Hi, I have a small dispute with user flierfy about the usage of highspeed=yes and would like to ask for your opinions. [1] I think that highspeed=yes should only be use that tracks whose speed limit is above a certain minimum speed (On The Ground Rule). The speed might vary between countries. flierfy thinks that the whole railway line should be tagged from its beginning to its end if it contains one part which qualifies for highspeed=yes. Example: The railway line from Leipzig to Dresden clearly qualifies [2] for highspeed=yes between km 4.0 (near Leizig-Sellershausen) to km 23.8 (near Bennewitz) and from ~ 30.2 (between Wurzen and Kühren) to 59.6 (between Bornitz bei Oschatz and Riesa). Only on these two sections trains may run faster than 160 kph (limit is 200 kph there). Other sections have speed limits between 100 kph and 160 kph. Flierfy tagged the whole line with highspeed=yes. http://www.openrailwaymap.org/?lang=&lat=51.33372202647613&lon=13.089437484741211&zoom=13&style=standard The high speed line might be completed on one day in future but it will takes years, many years. The wiki pages Key:highspeed, DE:Key:highspeed and OpenRailwayMap/Tagging at OSM wiki do not mention whether the tag should be used for the whole line or only for the parts whose speed limit is "high". In difference, DE:OpenRailwayMap/Tagging has contained the additional sentence that the whole line should get highspeed=yes. That sentence was added by user rurseekatze on 2015-12-29 [3]. I don't remember a discussion about it on a mailing list. Fliefy refers in the changeset discussion between us to DE:OpenRailwayMap/Tagging. The definition of this tag was discussed on a meeting of railway mappers in Cologne in July 2014 but we did not find any consensus there and left it unmodified. In March 2015 a mapper attempted to add highspeed=yes to the Northeast Corridor from Washington to Boston. After 25 comments in the changeset discussion the tag was removed. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29723896 The main question is: Shold the whole line (the definition of "line" is a different discussion worth) get highspeed=yes or only the parts which are suitable for high speeds due to large curve radius, special signalling and train protection etc.? What is your opinion? Best regards Michael PS I invited fliefy to join this mailing list on Friday and waited with posting my question until today to be fair. [1] changeset discussion in German (just for reference): https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/50067730 [2] assuming that high speed in Germany means 200 kph or faster. Other countries might have other limits. [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=DE%3AOpenRailwayMap%2FTagging&type=revision&diff=1256039&oldid=1238373 _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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