On 25/01/2018 21:16, Fernando Trebien wrote:
Then please say so in the public mailing list and let's see other
people's answers.
OK
Synopsis of my private conversation with Fernanado:
The links he provides do not "suggest that such role should not be used."
The description in [2] is giving clear instruction where 'forward/backward'
roles
*can* be used.
He says "The role is missing" from [2]. It's unclear what he means.
Cycle routes aren't Public Transport so don't use PTv2. Therefore "extending the
discussion was pointless".
Forward/Backward roles are required in cycle route relations.
I believe the wiki pages are correct & Fernando has misinterpreted them.
JOSM issues a warning whenever this role is used with either PTv2
routes or cycle routes (in fact with any kind of route).
I've not received that warning for cycle (or any) routes. What is its
exact wording? Please give detailed step-by-step instructions on how to
replicate it.
DaveF
If that
warning is incorrect, the developers must be contacted to fix it, and
the wiki must state clearly when the role is supposed to be used and
when it's not. If cycle routes are an exception, the exception must be
evident.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 25/01/2018 20:06, Fernando Trebien wrote:
The role is missing here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dbicycle#Members
I'm unsure what you mean by "missing".
The description is giving clear instruction where 'forward/backward' roles
*can* be used.
And I'm not seeing it in any of the cycle routes I'm finding in places
like Berlin and Amsterdam.
Maybe they're not required?
I've been criticised for using that role with PTv2 routes, so I
launched the discussion first on PTv2, then extended it for cycle
routes.
Cycle routes aren't Public Transport.
And that is because I think the information in the main
article might be incorrect/outdated or it may suggest incorrectly that
it applies to all types of routes.
No. The information is correct, your just misunderstanding it.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
Hi
Where in [3] does it "suggest that such role should not be used."?
DaveF
On 11/01/2018 18:30, Fernando Trebien wrote:
Iterating on the previous related discussion [1], I've noticed that,
though the main article on route relations [2] claims that the route
role can be used, the article on cycle routes [3] seems to suggest
that such role should not be used. JOSM issues a warning if it is
used, and most routes I'm seeing mapped do not have that role.
Should we edit the wiki to explicitly advise against using that role
on cycle routes?
[1]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-January/034587.html
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Members
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dbicycle
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