Hello, > wheelchair=unknown mostly in Iraq and Saudi Arabia (also from older imports)
Many months before this thread, talk for an automated edit was started to cleanup 15k+ objets with this value (most due to a wheelmap bug and bad undocumented import, but not only). As the wiki said, for wheelchair, without any tag, the status is already unknown and it's requested on the wiki to NOT add unkwnown value. the discussion was made on the 8 most affected or adapted places, no one objected or expressed any use for this (wheelchair access) key. which is why the cleaning was done. I was also advised to do the cleaning for the remain objets worlwide because some countries had less than 50 objects concerned and it therefore makes no sense to continue one announcement per country. We also talk it in this thread, nobody found a usecase for wheelchair=unknown. SomeonElse write me today because since access=unknown could have a hidden meaning (= for access key, the mapper doesn't know if access is allowed and wants to make it known that it's complicated), he finds that this cleaning should be reverteded, at least for cases that don't fit in the cases previously listed in the discussions (application bug, import of bad qualities). It is important to specify that the wiki clearly specifies the criteria to have wheelchair=yes limited or no. A state unknown to someone therefore just means that the person who made the addition didn't bother to look at the criteria or didn't take them into account or found an ambiguity on the wiki that it would be helpful to talk about. So my question is: Should you modify the wiki to say that if you don't know if a place is accessible for a wheelchair user, you still need to add an unknown tag ? if the situation is really ambiguous, isn't wheelchair:description enough ? or note ? or fixme ? or no wheelchair tag at all, another mapper 'll check it next time. Or should all applications take this unknown value into account? I think for example of the multiple tools that highlight the missing values for a given subject and which would therefore need to consider unknown as equivalent to absent. but also "maybe" "idontknown" "idontcare" values or any invention of this kind whose interest I hardly understand. My opinion is obviously leaning to add useful tags. so if someone is unable to tag wheelchair status for a POI, don't add any wheelchair tag or adding WHY in wheelchair:description or note seems more suitable to me than inventing new unused value that provides no explanation for the problem. and therefore are unusable except for the mapper that create it [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/marc_marc#purge_related_to_wheelchair.3Dunknown [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:toilets:wheelchair Regards, Marc _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
