(Some of this is on the wiki) On 28/11/2018 06:39, Johnparis wrote:
I don't think the notion of "according_to" is viable unless it is restricted to the two disputing parties. (Three-way disputes can be simplified into three two-way disputes.)
This is why I like according_to:XX=yes/no. It allows for many options, not just 2.
I'll also look at your proposed tag (boundary=claimed_administrative) vs. my proposed tag (boundary_claim=administrative). Not sure whether there's any significant difference in implementation, but would like your thoughts on that.
boundary=claimed_administrative say "this is a boundary and it's of this type".
I plan to rethink my proposal along these lines. One problem I now see with my examples, for instance, is that it provides relations for SADR (de facto and claimed) and MA (de facto and claimed), but not MA as seen by SADR. So you can't draw a global map from these relations from the viewpoint of SADR and its supporters. (You can do one from the viewpoint of MA, because SADR doesn't exist in that world, but that's a special case.)
I suspect "Country X thinks country Y doesn't really exist" is very common, surely it must happen when a region secedes. I suspect Turkish Republic of North Cyprus doesn't exist as a country according to Cyprus or Italy, or.... Taiwan isn't a separate country according to China. Kosovo isn't a separate country according to Serbia. etc. "according_to:XX=no" can be useful here.
Finally, is there some reason you want to create a competing proposal? I don't have any knowledge of two competing proposals being discussed at the same time; would they be followed by two votes? I thought the idea was to reach consensus.
Yes this can appear a little snarky, that's not my intent. I half heartely suggested this idea 2 years ago ( https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-May/029211.html ), but abandoned it.
As you know, recent events mean OSM should have an answer to this. We'll talk and discuss and surely we can come to consensus.
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