I am getting the same feeling for intermittent/seasonal and ephemeral
... should all be one top level tag. Sigh.
n 01/01/19 02:37, Dave Swarthout wrote:
Tobias wrote:
"Now that several comments here indicate that the only practical
distinction today is the name on the front sign I come to think that
we could abandon the tag altogether."
+1
I agree. We tend to "split hairs" in OSM, when in some cases it simply
isn't worth the effort. These objects are just temporary
accommodations that, granted, have varying characteristics. Here in
Thailand, it's virtually impossible to differentiate between a
guest_house and a hotel. And how should one tag facilities that label
themselves as a "resort" (รีสอร์ท)? A better approach might (have
been) to use a generic term like tourism=accommodation as a top level
and then describe the facility more fully with subtags. Of course,
we're pretty much stuck with the present imperfect tagging situation.
Dave
On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:18 PM Tobias Wrede <l...@tobias-wrede.de
<mailto:l...@tobias-wrede.de>> wrote:
In Germany my experience is that actually most hotels in the
cities charge for parking. On the other hand you find very very
few that call themselves "motel". I can only think of one
currently that does, and it is located within a motorway rest
area. The exception is the chain Motel One which is a very typical
_h_otel often located in city centers offering only limited parking.
When I think of a motel I always picture those with doors opening
to the car park from US movies. Now that several comments here
indicate that the only practical distinction today is the name on
the front sign I come to think that we could abandon the tag
altogether. What value does it generate for the data consumer if
tourism=motel and tourism=hotel is all but the same and practical
distinction could for both be made by subtags parking=y/n,
parking:fee=y/n, etc?
Tobias
Am 24.12.2018 um 01:12 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg:
In the USA, we would also assume a motel offers free parking.
Hotels may charge extra for parking, especial if located downtown
or next to an airport.
Is this also the case in Europe and Australia?
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:55 AM Dave Swarthout
<daveswarth...@gmail.com <mailto:daveswarth...@gmail.com>> wrote:
"Today the main difference seems to be the sign out front.
If a hostelry calls itself a motel, it is a motel. If it
calls itself a hotel, it is a hotel. Local licensing
authorities do not differentiate between them and they are
regulated identically, so far as I can tell. I'd say the
definition should be based on what is written on the sign on
the hostelry."
+1
That's my main criterion for tagging an accommodation as a
motel. I agree with Volker's points and Allan's view on this.
Happy Holidays
Dave
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:27 AM Allan Mustard
<al...@mustard.net <mailto:al...@mustard.net>> wrote:
Motel = MOtor hoTEL
The major difference between a 'hotel" and a "motel"
originally was the configuration of the building with
respect to parking. At a traditionally designed motel,
the cars are parked outside the units, which typically
open to the outdoors, not to a hallway, so that patrons
of the motel may come and go freely to their
automobiles. Length of stay is immaterial.
The first motels appeared on the Lincoln Highway in the
1920s, if memory serves, and had little carports capable
of accommodating a Model T Ford-sized automobile next to
a cabin (yes, the first motels featured cabins, not rooms
in a larger building).
Then along came Motel 6, so called because it charged $6
per night back in the day (it featured coin-operated TVs
and you paid extra for everything but the bed, bath, and
four walls). Many Motel 6s had hallways, and that
changed the design, but they still catered to transients
en route from Point A to Point B.
Today the main difference seems to be the sign out
front. If a hostelry calls itself a motel, it is a
motel. If it calls itself a hotel, it is a hotel. Local
licensing authorities do not differentiate between them
and they are regulated identically, so far as I can
tell. I'd say the definition should be based on what is
written on the sign on the hostelry. These are my two
cents' worth based on 30+ years of travel, including a
few cross-country trips across America as well as
extensive on-ground travel in Mexico, Russia, and central
Europe.
Cheers and Merry Christmas to all!
apm-wa
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 4:33 AM bkil <bkil.hu
<http://bkil.hu>+a...@gmail.com <mailto:a...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've made a major rewording of this tag. Please
review and don't hesitate to comment or improve if
I've mistakenly changed the meaning of the tag:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel&type=revision&diff=1755686&oldid=1561324
Source: based on Wikipedia and recent mapping experience:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65702446#map=9/47.1412/18.6632
It also looks like some have used the word motel for
what should have been pensions and guest houses
around here, I'll also fix these later.
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