Am 07.02.2019 um 16:01 schrieb tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org: > Send Tagging mailing list submissions to > tagging@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tagging-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tagging digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale] (marc marc) > 2. Re: A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. background > informations (marc marc) > 3. Re: A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. background > informations (Andy Townsend) > 4. Nope | Re: A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. background > informations (Rory McCann) > 5. Re: status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale] (Paul Allen) > 6. Re: status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale] (Hufkratzer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:22:53 +0000 > From: marc marc <marc_marc_...@hotmail.com> > To: "tagging@openstreetmap.org" <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale] > Message-ID: > > <db6p190mb0279fd9d65629b913bf24d56b7...@db6p190mb0279.eurp190.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Le 07.02.19 à 14:58, Paul Allen a écrit : >> Informal is me wanting to tag >> some type of object, being unable to find a suitable tag > > maybe > with low usage : status=Without-a-proposal > with high usage : status=De-facto > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:30:22 +0000 > From: marc marc <marc_marc_...@hotmail.com> > To: "tagging@openstreetmap.org" <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. > background informations > Message-ID: > > <db6p190mb0279839cbb1bc8c0b4118302b7...@db6p190mb0279.eurp190.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Le 07.02.19 à 12:20, Ulrich Lamm a écrit : >> it has to distinguish between > > it's why good changeset have a good description and a source tag. Mighty people in OSM, at least one in Germany, punish mappers, if they use database contents available under Creative Commons license, though source tags fit Creative Commons conditions, of course. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:39:46 +0000 > From: Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Tagging] A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. > background informations > Message-ID: <2082011c-557c-dfd8-7397-7f478db4e...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 07/02/2019 11:20, Ulrich Lamm wrote: >> If OSM does not want to be a junk project with a junk product, it has to >> distinguish between the geometry, self made or ODbL, >> and referenced background informations, fulfilling Creative Commons rules. >> > What on earth does the accuracy of a particular feature in OSM have to > do with the licence under which that geometry was obtained? Geometry can only be imported under ODbL conditions, whereas most of the background informations are only available under Creative Commons conditions. > > Also statements like "If OSM does not want to be a junk project with a > junk product" don't reflect well on the person making them. > > Best Regards, > > Andy > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 15:55:13 +0100 > From: Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: [Tagging] Nope | Re: A general problem: Co-ordinate sets vs. > background informations > Message-ID: <q3hgsh$37v3$1...@blaine.gmane.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > OSM is reliable. Rather than using government published data, it uses > crowdsourced data. Most (all?) of creative commons licences allow > modification, so CC doesn't guarantee "protection against alternations". > > OSM has been going for almost 15 years. It hasn't turned into junk yet, > what makes you think it'll happen at all? Since it's been going so long, > maybe it's actually doing something right? In many sties, official maps are less actual than OSM, but many of the data available in public databases are the product of long term and still continuing scientific work: Elevations of the water level of lakes are the mean values of several decades. The official data set of such a lake distinguishes between that mean level and the actual level at the time of the last visit of an environment officer. Volunteer mappers record one value at one time and, naively, believe that value were representative. Definitions of courses of water (what is the real headwater of XY River in its hydrological system) by the environment authorities are based (and sometimes are revised) on continuous systematical assessment of the whole river system. And the official definition created this way is valid. Eventual visits of volunteers are not that scientific and do not result in more than a private opinion. > > On 07/02/2019 12:20, Ulrich Lamm wrote: >> There are very different kinds of data, OSM has to use to serve reliable >> correct informations itself: >> >> Co-ordinate sets of lines: >> In order to map courses of streets and waterways, it is useful but not >> necessary, if co-ordinate sets from databases can be imported. >> For the localisation of boundaries it may be inevitable, sometimes. >> Importing co-ordinate sets cannot fit Creative Commons conditions. >> After their integration in the map, their provenience is invisible. >> And as every mapper can move every point, their alteration cannot be >> prevented. >> This way, Co-ordinate sets of lines only can be imported under ODbL >> conditions. >> >> Definitions and background informations: >> On the hand, without referenced definitions and naming of geographic >> objects, OSM is not reliable. >> OSM has established tags for these references, such as source:name, >> ref:sandre, ref:gkz. >> Many of such informations are available under Creative Commons licensing, as >> the providers want to enable free use. >> For these kind of data, Creative Commons conditions are first of all a >> protection against alterations. >> >> If OSM does not want to be a junk project with a junk product, it has to >> distinguish between the geometry, self made or ODbL, >> and referenced background informations, fulfilling Creative Commons rules. >> >> Best regards >> Ulamm = Ulrich Lamm >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:56:24 +0000 > From: Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale] > Message-ID: > <capy1do+eyxhxavrf+o9zmpj19uurvkpofna+p3gxn+maj+6...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 14:24, marc marc <marc_marc_...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Le 07.02.19 à 14:58, Paul Allen a écrit : >>> Informal is me wanting to tag >>> some type of object, being unable to find a suitable tag >> >> maybe >> with low usage : status=Without-a-proposal >> with high usage : status=De-facto >> > > Both low and high usage can be without a proposal. And if you're allowed > "de facto" for high usage > I'm allowed "ad hoc" for low usage no matter what the anti-Latin contingent > say. :) > > At least we're not having an endless argument about tags, as usual. This > endless argument > is about tag status instead. :) > > -- > Paul > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20190207/06c82775/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 16:00:57 +0100 > From: Hufkratzer <hufkrat...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] status of a tag [was: motorcycle:scale] > Message-ID: <5c5c4829.3080...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > On 07.02.2019 15:56 Paul Allen wrote: >> Both low and high usage can be without a proposal. And if you're >> allowed "de facto" for high usage >> I'm allowed "ad hoc" for low usage no matter what the anti-Latin >> contingent say. :) > > Related proposal to have 2 different statuses: > https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=56126 > > > --- > Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20190207/f8022439/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tagging Digest, Vol 113, Issue 29 > ****************************************
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