I mean tourism=camp_site, sorry for the confusion. On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:51 PM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The current proposal suggests that this is useful to define individual > sites for tents or caravans within a larger leisure=camp_site area. > > I don’t see much use in double tagging a single backcountry tent site with > leisure=camp_site and camp_site=camp_pitch on the same node. > > Usually an individual campsite has a name rather than a ref= tag. > > For backcountry campsites, you can define the type of camp_site by using > camp_site=basic (if there is no water or toilet) - see Key:camp_site > > Joseph > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:33 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> It mostly looks good, avoiding the over-namespacing of at least one of >> the earlier proposals. >> >> Should we consider clarifying that isolated sites that support only a >> single party may/may not be tagged with camp_pitch? I'm comfortable >> with either: in one interpretation, a camp_pitch is simply a place for >> a single party to camp; in the other a camp_pitch is a single party's >> site, always within a larger facility. >> >> I'm asking because most of the camping places that I visit are either >> backcountry campsites, where a site is luxurious if it has a thunder >> box http://tinyurl.com/y3clyav3 and a fire pit, or else roadside >> campsites that are little more than a place to park a small caravan or >> pitch a tent, and may have a proper outhouse or even a well with a >> pitcher pump. They aren't parts of a larger campground. >> >> In the case of one long string of roadside sites (spaced perhaps 400 m >> apart), the area near the road >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6370357 is legally a >> 'campground' and is tagged as such. The laws governing usage are >> different from those that apply in the wilderness areas beyond. The >> roadside spots continue to be maintained because of a long-standing >> customary use by hunters, trappers and fishermen to access those >> wilderness areas. (The other campgrounds that you see in the vicinity >> are 'proper' camp_sites with communal flush toilets and showers, >> offices, swimming beaches and so on. There are other strings of >> roadside campsites that are not so grouped. For instance, there are a >> dozen or so sites on Gould Road east of the end of the 'campground' >> that are legally 'wild forest'. >> >> Is there recommended tagging for sites without land access? At some >> point I may start placing individual sites to get the ref=* tagging, >> and there are a whole lot of pitches in that part of the world that >> may be numbered, reserved, paid-for sites, but that you need a canoe >> to get to, either because they're on islands, or because they're on >> trail-less lakeshore (and I at least don't want to push through the >> mud and vegetation to get to them overland). >> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 3:05 AM Joseph Eisenberg >> <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > I've restarted the proposal process for camp_site=camp_pitch >> > >> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch >> > >> > This tag has already been used over 6800 times by over 380 mappers and >> is pretty well defined by the old proposal page from 2015 as an individual >> tent or caravan spot within a tourism=camp_site area. >> > >> > These features should be mapped as a node (or possibly an area, when >> this is verifiable) and "ref=*" can be used for the number of the camp >> pitch. This will be useful for routing and could be rendered like addr:unit >> (most campsites do not have official unit numbers). >> > >> > There is also a tag camp_site=pitch which is undocumented and seems to >> mean the same thing, but it is only used 1500 times by 34 mappers, and does >> not seem to be growing in usage. I'd recommend approving >> camp_site=camp_pitch instead >> > >> > Please comment here or on the proposal discussion page: >> > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tagging mailing list >> > Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >
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