On 11/10/19 18:04, John Willis via Tagging wrote:
Questions about using cycle relations properly:
I am mapping and repairing cycle roads in the Kanto/Tokyo area. There
are a lot of designated cycling roads that follow a long rivers and
other water features out into the countryside, making up a regional
system, and a lot of smaller local cycling roads (also along small
rivers) that connect neighborhoods and towns together.
example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3218181
I’m working to get all the individual ways of the cycle roads into
relations and to properly classify these (local/regional, etc).
But on the cycling layer of OSM, I find regular roads labeled as cycle
routes: mountain roads where professional cyclists like to exercise
labeled as a “cycling route”, which seems like “mapping for the renderer”.
example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8066243
- They don’t seem to be cycling roads - all the relation members are
trunk roads or similar - no cycleways whatsoever.
There is no requirement for a cycle route to use cycleways, even in part.
-they are dangerous routes with no side-paths, sidewalks, or dedicated
cycle lanes - just regular roads.
- they are exercise loops or hill climbs for pro cyclistsand serve no
purpose for travelers or commuters.
Never the less they could be seen as cycle routes - frequently used by
cyclists?
- they are not, AFAIK, part of an official “cycling network”. The
Super-relation someone has added all cycle routes to (
関東地方サイクリングロード・ネットワーク ).
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8051094 also seems to be
made-up and not official either - the name only returns one result
(the OSM data page) when searched.
To me, these non-cycle routes are just garbage relations meant to have
the route show up on the cycling view of OSM for people doing workouts.
I have had a commuting cyclist map into OSM cycling lanes .. that are
not there, shared paths that are not shared.. I would much rather that
were mapped as routes showing the actual infrastructure that is there.
I want to delete these fake “mountain workout” relations that should
be mapped in strava or a similar workout app.
If the route shows that regular roads are used .. possibly use the
description key to state the nature of the route?
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