This debate has gone on for a long time. I do not have time to review every proposal when there have been so many lately and many did not appear to be well developed enough to come to a vote.
I admit that I did not take the proposal seriously since it did not have any argument in favor of this change. Here is the entire rationale section: *"With the 2010 proposal there is a double-tagging option for health facilities. Some of the editors once included it and then discarded it. This leads sometimes to confusion by mappers. * *To tidy up this situation, I propose the following changes. Likewise, editors, mappers and data users will then have a uniform consensus for further development."* This statement could also be made in favor of deprecating the duplicate, less popular tags like healthcare=hospital, healthcare=dentist and instead encouraging use of the more common amenity=hospital, amenity=dentist. There was no argument or explanation for why the "new" (12 year old) tags under healthcare should be preferred to the "de facto" standards under the "amenity" key. In fact I would propose to deprecate healthcare=hospital since it is less common, and amenity=hospital is a good tag which is already used and interpreted by mappers and database users. During the start of the pandemic, I started to attempt deprecation of healthcare=pharmacy as a first step but abandoned the effort due to lack of time and energy: ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Deprecate_healthcare%3Dpharmacy ) - Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 3:00 PM Robin Burek <robin.bu...@gmx.de> wrote: > What kind of reversal of guilt is that? If someone does not participate in > the RFC. And it has been discussed both here and in the new forum. Even > constructive support, which I have received and not a little. > I have yet to talk to anyone who didn't think it was right to finally > enforce the 2010 consensus. So am I supposed to keep looking here until > someone eventually comes around? Sorry, but I cannot accept this attack > against me. If there have been major changes, I understand that > reminders/updates are sent. But not for this simple issue. > > > "Brian M. Sperlongano" zelonew...@gmail.com – 5. November 2022 22:50 > > > It is the responsibility of the proposer to ensure that there is a > consensus before moving to a vote, regardless of timelines. It seems to me > that there has been a recent plague of proposals where proposal writers are > tossing proposals into voting status without doing enough due diligence. > If you are not getting much feedback on your proposal, sending a reminder > is appropriate. It is never "too late" for someone to express an opinion. > > > The lack of immediate opposition is not an indicator of consensus. > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:42 PM Robin Burek <robin.bu...@gmx.de > <http:///index.php/apps/mail/mailto?to=robin.bu...@gmx.de>> wrote: > > > Sorry, but this comes a bit too late. The RFC has been running for a > month! Contentwise only different "old" designations were added there. > > It is also not changed to a "new key". There is also nothing "new". Only > the old Healthcare Proposal from 2010 (!) is finally enforced (so much for > "without justification"). I think we should finally accept and enforce the > solutions that have been agreed upon. Or deprecate the old consensus! But I > have decided for the first. > > > > > > "Joseph Eisenberg" joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com > <http:///index.php/apps/mail/mailto?to=joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> – 5. > November 2022 22:31 > > > This proposal attempts to deprecate very popular tags without > justification. > > The tags amenity=hospital, amenity=clinic and amenity=dentist are > extremely well established and used by all kinds of maps and applications > of Openstreetmap data. > > These features are also clearly amenities: they are an important service > that you want to have nearby in your town, and all residents and visitors > will need to know the location of the closest hospital or dentist to get > medical services. > > There is no benefit to changing to a different key, but there is a great > difficulty in re-tagging and changing applications. > > This proposal should be rejected. > > > - Joseph Eisenberg > > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:49 PM Robin Burek <robin.bu...@gmx.de > <https:/index.php/apps/mail/mailto?to=robin.bu...@gmx.de>> wrote: > > > > Voting has started for Healthcare 1.1 - > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare_1.1 > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > <https:/index.php/apps/mail/mailto?to=Tagging@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > <http:///index.php/apps/mail/mailto?to=Tagging@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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