In this lamentably abandoned proposal it was suggested public_transport:type=replacement https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Differentiation_for_routes_of_public_transport
AgustÃn El vie., 10 de marzo de 2023 9:04 a. m., <tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org> escribió: > Send Tagging mailing list submissions to > tagging@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tagging-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tagging digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Rail replacement bus service (hanser) > 2. Re: Rail replacement bus service (stevea) > 3. Re: Rail replacement bus service (Warin) > 4. Re: Rail replacement bus service (Martin Koppenhoefer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:21:44 +0100 > From: hanser <mess...@johannesstefan.de> > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: [Tagging] Rail replacement bus service > Message-ID: <e70047c9-185f-53fa-2f44-ee1f522ad...@johannesstefan.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hello, > > please consider my suggestion which I would like to transfer to an > official proposal after the idea got some feedback from this mailing list. > > Public rail transport normally has a rail replacement bus service[1] for > when the rails are in maintenance or under construction. There exist bus > stops that are designated for that special purpose ? often with a > special sign[2] which indicates this (sometimes additional) function. > Also often there are signs[3] or marks on the floor[4] to direct the > passengers to these stops. > So these stops are a permanent setup and worthy to be mapped in OSM. > Especially because in smaller train stations these signs are often > insufficiently frequent, if present at all ? and OSM could be of great > help in navigating to the stops. For my region, the railway company has > a portal[5] where you can download a map for directions to the > replacement service for a certain train station[6]. > > The suggestion is to be able to add the tag > *rail_replacement_service=yes* > to public_transport denoted elements. > > Do you have any thoughts about this? Any help in general would be highly > appreciated, since this is my first osm proposal :) > > Thanks a lot for your consideration > hanser > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_replacement_bus_service > [2] > > https://assets.static-bahn.de/.imaging/focalpoint/752x564/dam/jcr:10873a29-30b7-4c71-812e-079f491cda86/DB175994.jpg > (german sign with english translation) > [3] > > https://assets.static-bahn.de/.imaging/focalpoint/752x564/dam/jcr:3659762a-5381-4be8-9da3-4cebdf4695c2/DB175857.jpg > (german sign with english translation) > [4] > > https://assets.static-bahn.de/.imaging/focalpoint/752x564/dam/jcr:74393c33-a00e-428e-a260-e4c93c3b9162/Fu%C3%9Fabdruck_SEV.jpg > (german sign with english translation) > [5] https://regional.bahn.de/regionen/baden-wuerttemberg/fahrplan/sev > (german ? link all the way at the bottom) > [6] https://www.bahnhof.de/downloads/replacement-service-maps/5242.pdf > (example map to the replacement service for Reutlingen) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2023 23:46:06 -0800 > From: stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Rail replacement bus service > Message-ID: <66167d36-fb43-4029-8453-e394d1a14...@softworkers.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > A most excellent suggestion, hanser, and at first glance, a > well-structured OSM thrust forward for this concept: I am enthusiastic. > Please keep up this sort of good communication! > > Just yesterday I left off of our Caltrain wiki [1] the so-called > "6-trains" on its Schedule [2] in preparation for what will be called > "Blended Service" (future California High Speed Rail shares "commuter rail" > tracks upgraded to what in the USA are Class 6 track, 110 MPH / 176 km/hr) > known as the "Northern Bookend" in the San Francisco Bay Area's big > upgrades to rail over the next decade. > > The reason I left off the "6-trains" from this train wiki table is because > these aren't trains. (During weekend construction of new electrification > towers, substations, et cetera). Here (California, USA), we don't call > these "Ersatz" or "Replacement" service for the trains, we call these "bus > bridges." > > With this, OSM will have a way to describe these "acting like train routes > but are really bus routes." They do have their own "special purpose" > signage, paint-on-pavement (sometimes looks like shoe-prints-in-paint) and > other "route navigation aids." I look forward to a well-designed proposal > and/or the emergence of sensible tagging strategies after this sort of > consultation with the greater community, so, Thanks for bringing this up! > > [1] > https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/California/Railroads/Passenger#Caltrain_/_Peninsula_Corridor_Joint_Powers_Board_(JPBX) > [2] https://www.caltrain.com/routes/l6?active_tab=route_explorer_tab > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:31:01 +1100 > From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Rail replacement bus service > Message-ID: <5f51b31a-1be0-a5a7-e99c-46e931082...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > On 10/3/23 18:46, stevea wrote: > > A most excellent suggestion, hanser, and at first glance, a > well-structured OSM thrust forward for this concept: I am enthusiastic. > Please keep up this sort of good communication! > > > > Just yesterday I left off of our Caltrain wiki [1] the so-called > "6-trains" on its Schedule [2] in preparation for what will be called > "Blended Service" (future California High Speed Rail shares "commuter rail" > tracks upgraded to what in the USA are Class 6 track, 110 MPH / 176 km/hr) > known as the "Northern Bookend" in the San Francisco Bay Area's big > upgrades to rail over the next decade. > > > > The reason I left off the "6-trains" from this train wiki table is > because these aren't trains. (During weekend construction of new > electrification towers, substations, et cetera). Here (California, USA), > we don't call these "Ersatz" or "Replacement" service for the trains, we > call these "bus bridges." > > > > With this, OSM will have a way to describe these "acting like train > routes but are really bus routes." They do have their own "special > purpose" signage, paint-on-pavement (sometimes looks like > shoe-prints-in-paint) and other "route navigation aids." I look forward to > a well-designed proposal and/or the emergence of sensible tagging > strategies after this sort of consultation with the greater community, so, > Thanks for bringing this up! > > > Drives like a bus, uses roads like a bus .. it is a bus. There are a few > permanent ones in my State run by the railways people (usually > contracted to a local firm) and I'd map them as a bus route. > > In Victoria I believe the railways have a few of there own buses with > branding and colours to match! > > Trains no longer run on these 'routes' well not passenger services, get > the occasional freight service but even those are reducing to zero. Did > Beeching have offspring and have they come here? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 12:04:49 +0100 > From: Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Rail replacement bus service > Message-ID: > < > cabptjtbnzuf0iodxzyalkkh0t5a7etqf1z+o0c6llqex9ao...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Am Fr., 10. M?rz 2023 um 11:35 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > > > > Drives like a bus, uses roads like a bus .. it is a bus. There are a few > > permanent ones in my State run by the railways people (usually > > contracted to a local firm) and I'd map them as a bus route. > > > > > > I agree, these just get blocked in the traffic like any other road based > vehicle, not comparable in any way to the railbased routes they are > replacing (usually for construction work, or short term in case of special > events like police action, fire, bomb alerts, etc.), or comparable only > that they have to face the same amount of passengers as the trains and > therefor tend to be overcrowded :) > > I agree with the thread starter that an attribute like > "rail_replacement_service=yes" seems a good way to go, if we map these at > all. From my experience in Berlin and in opposition to what was stated > above, these are not "permanent", but they can last for several years. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20230310/8ba9f4bb/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tagging Digest, Vol 162, Issue 5 > *************************************** >
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