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On 05/12/2012, at 11:00 PM, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to > talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: When is a road a cycle route? (Ian Sergeant) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:01:17 +1100 > From: Ian Sergeant <inas66+...@gmail.com> > To: Steve Bennett <stevag...@gmail.com> > Cc: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] When is a road a cycle route? > Message-ID: <50bde60d....@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > On 04/12/12 15:59, Steve Bennett wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Ian Sergeant <inas66+...@gmail.com >> <mailto:inas66+...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> We're heading towards a day when everybody will have a routing >> application on their mobile device or accessible elsewhere. So >> navigation is a diminishing issue, and desirability for cycling is >> an increasing one. >> >> >> Interesting thought. I don't know if I totally agree - I tend to carry >> a smartphone, *and* I have a GPS mounted on the handlebars, yet >> neither of those things is convenient as following actual signs or >> markings. > > And 5 years ago you may have said the same thing about in-car GPS. You > can't have a sign or a route to everywhere you may want to go. > >> >> If there is no cycling amenity of any kind, then it is just a >> route? How does it differ from any other just by being signed? >> >> >> I'm not sure I understand your question. By definition, a route is an >> abstraction on top of the physical world. "What route did you take to >> get there" - there's nothing physically distinguishing about a route. > > But in labelling a route we're usually making a choice. The answer to > what route you take, has an underlying question of why you took it. > >> >> Could you elaborate on what "amenity" means to you? Me, I'm assuming >> that if the council has put up "bicycle route" signs, it's because >> they've determined that that road is inherently better for bikes than >> some nearby street - both because it's safer and more comfortable, and >> because it goes somewhere mildly useful. > > Generally the case, but not always. My bicycle sign on Parramatta road > being my best example so I'm sticking with it. A cycle route down a > narrow three lane road, carrying trucks who'd soon as take you out as > look at you. > >> However, I accept that things like railtrails, long distance cycle >> routes, etc are exceptions here - where even poor amenity may want to >> be included in the route. I'm not quite sure how we distinguish these >> type of trails where people are trying to fill in the gaps, from some >> of the just plain stupid mapped/signed routes that pass for cycle >> routes in some council areas. >> >> Well, I guess they seem "stupid" if you're focusing on "where's good >> to ride". They're totally logical and sensible if you're focusing on >> "how do I get to point B". > > Well, I guess I'm focussed on being alive when I get to B. > > Ian. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20121204/983144ab/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 66, Issue 5 > ************************************** > _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
