So what then distinguishes highway=residential from a shared driveway in Sebastian's 3 examples?
* The first way 818426144 is an unnamed shared service road, so seems to neatly fit the pipestem example as explained. The addresses in this style of development are likely to be unit numbers, otherwise sharing a shared main road street addresss. * The second way 184844142 and the third way 429541974 are named roads that appear as named roads on the JOSM Vicmap road network layer. The addresses in these instances will most likely use that street name as their address, not the next main road they connect to. So these don't appear to neatly fit the concept of a shared driveway to my thinking. Otherwise taken to it's extreme interpretation there would be a large number of highway=residential that, due to being in privately developed areas, could be change to pipestem. I don't think that is the intent. Thoughts? Matthew On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:42 AM Dian Ågesson <m...@diacritic.xyz> wrote: > Interesting discussion; it does seem like the consensus is landing on the > side of service=pipestem. > > There are 668 instances of driveway=pipestem in Australia: > https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1gU6, but there is 0 instances of > service=pipestem: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1gUd. However, it seems as > though I have had a disproportionate influence (509 of driveway=pipestem > were last edited by me https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1gUf) > > I don't have a strong preference either way, so I'm happy to move over to > the service=pipestem structure (possibly through bulk edit?) > > Dian > > On 2022-03-16 08:53, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > In the global community it's still disputed, see > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:service%3Ddriveway#Pipestems > and my proposal to have this as an editor preset > https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/pull/239 where the > tagging question is still not resolved. > > I've actually come around to the idea that service=pipstem is better, > rational being that service=driveway is very clearly defined on the wiki as > a non-shared driveway leading to a single residence. I think it's best we > leave that intact and have a sibling tag service=pipestem for shared > driveways. Otherwise you'll need to redefine service=driveway to be any > type of shared or non-shared driveway and add a new tag driveway=single to > most existing highway=service. > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 08:10, Tom Brennan <webs...@ozultimate.com> wrote: > > I think I started the last discussion on this, so I'll wade in! > Driveways are a bit of a nightmare - there are lots that don't fit > neatly into one bucket or another. > > We did agree that service=driveway, driveway=pipestem was better than > service=pipestem. > > It's probably 6 of one, half a dozen of the other as to whether the ones > below are all shared driveways. Some could equally be classified as > private residential roads. > > But they could all do with a clean up, one way or the other! > > cheers > Tom > ---- > Canyoning? try http://ozultimate.com/canyoning > Bushwalking? try http://bushwalkingnsw.com > > On 15/03/2022 9:22 pm, Dian Ågesson wrote: > > > > > > Hi Seb! > > > > The last time this came up on the mailing list > > ( > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2021-September/015014.html) > > > most people seemed to approve of the following mapping: > > > > highway=service > > > > service=driveway > > > > driveway=pipestem > > > > Dian > > > > On 2022-03-15 20:16, Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Had a query regarding the mapping of driveways / shared driveways as > >> there seems to be quite a number of different approaches in the data. > >> Below are three examples of similar ways that have different tags used > >> in each instance. > >> > >> Highway=service > >> Service= driveway > >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/818426144 > >> > >> Highway=Residential > >> Service= driveway > >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/184844142#map=18/-38.00126/145.27585 > >> > >> Highway=residential > >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/429541974 > >> > >> Reading the OSM wiki, none of these ways are correctly mapped as they > >> are all shared driveways that leads from a road. my understanding that > >> they need to be tagged as follows: > >> > >> Highway=service > >> Service= Pipestem > >> > >> Would be interested in knowing your thoughts. > >> > >> regards, > >> > >> Sebastian > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Talk-au mailing list > >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-au mailing list > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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