if the primary goal is to render according to gender, shouldn't the workflow sort the streets according to the available information (all the "Virginia A. streets" are probably female, right?) in order to target first the streets where the gender is unknown (no first name or abbreviation to expend in osm).
i find it very difficult to find the etymology of a street : it's not because there is a very well known "Jean de la Fontaine" that all the "Rue Jean de la Fontaine" talk about him. we risk adding supposed information which would destroy the interest of the tag name:etymology:wikidata when it's not necessary for gender rendering. Le 04.02.20 à 15:41, Midgard a écrit : > I'd strongly suggest including an easy default path for when people aren't > sure. > If you use a completion metric, choosing "not sure" should imo also increase > the completion > percentage, so that people are less psychologically pushed to add such data. > > Additionally, if someone chose "not sure" and a second person chooses "not > sure", I would avoid > showing it to any more people. > > Why? > > Adding name:etymology:wikidata is not that trivial. It requires some > dedication. In the examples > below, I'm afraid that people who are given just the goal of completing > gender will be inclined to > just pick one. That's harmful to the data quality. > > Some examples from my experience Wikidatafying Blankenberge: > There's just a surname: > - Mametstraat: David, Zosia, Raymond, Clara, Magda, Julien... > > or an initial letter and surname: > - J. De Meyerstraat: lots of people match that > > or the street has first and last name, but there are multiple people > called like that: > - Maurits Sabbepad: a writer, but also a theologian > > or you can't find any information: > - Frans Feverystraat: The top search results for "Frans Fevery" are > about the street. :p > You could create a Wikidata item for them, see > the last paragraph. > > I was planning to bother my municipality to make them help me > disambiguating those, based on > the records of the street name decision process. > > Some other challenges: > Different spellings (should be added to "also known as" in Wikidata when > found): > - Albert Ruzettelaan: in Wikidata as "Albéric Ruzette" > This could result in duplicate entries. > > Often you have to take into account the context: > - Albertstraat and Elisabethstraat running in parallel: Albert I and > his wife > - lots of surnames of painters in same neighbourhood > > Streets named after non-persons. If you use completion metric, how will > you deal with them? In > Blankenberge, I have been adding the thing they're named after. > - Vissersstraat: fisher > > But sometimes, it's just not clear what they're named after: > - Duindistellaan: I can't find any indication that this is a real > plant. Just a thistle > that happens to grow in the dunes? > - Colombus (not Columbus) > > If it's clear a person has no item yet, one should be created. It's nice if > some research is done: > what made them famous enough to get a street name? Sometimes you find > something, sometimes you > don't. In the latter case you can create a rather uninformative item with > just "instance of: human" > and "sex or gender". But when there's information available on the web, imo > it would be a shame not > to add it. > > Kind regards, > Midgard > > Quoting Santens Seppe (2020-02-04 12:52:57) >> True, but of course a nice thing to do. >> >> Van: Pieter Vander Vennet [mailto:pieterv...@posteo.net] >> Verzonden: dinsdag 4 februari 2020 12:23 >> Aan: winfi...@gmail.com; OpenStreetMap Belgium >> Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] 17/02: Towards Equal Street Names with Open Data >> >> Hey Jo, >> >> Afaik there is no need to create an wikidata for the street. >> Met vriendelijke groeten, >> Pieter Vander Vennet >> On February 4, 2020 12:06:46 PM GMT+01:00, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I did this for one street in Evere: >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/523050554/history >> >> Took me more than half an hour for a single street (no automation). I >> created a wikidata entry both for the person and for the street itself. >> Things are complicated by the bilingual nature of the city and because this >> street also had an old name. >> >> Is that what we will be doing? Or did I somehow misunderstand? >> >> Polyglot >> >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 4:34 PM Santens Seppe <seppe.sant...@stad.gent> wrote: >> Hi community, >> >> Open Knowledge Belgium, OpenStreetMap Belgium and Wikimedia Belgium want to >> map all the streetnames by gender in Brussels, as a first step to change the >> imbalance in reality. We need your help on 17/02 to get the OSM data linked >> to wikidata. >> Register here to join the mapping effort: >> https://eventbrite.co.uk/e/towards-equal-street-names-with-open-data-registration-92536026747. >> And let us know if you can help with the framework. >> >> >> more info: >> https://be.okfn.org/2020/02/03/towards-equal-street-names-with-open-data/ >> >> Please spread the word! >> -Twitter: https://twitter.com/OpenKnowledgeBE/status/1224291464496193538 >> -Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/events/2852981998057886/ >> -Eventbrite: http://equalstreetnamesbrussels.eventbrite.co.uk/ >> >> >> Seppe > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > _______________________________________________ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
