I believe Bjenk was kidding when stating he'd be buying a coffee. On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:16 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Both the City of Ottawa and the Canadian Federal Government have rules in > place about bribery and corruption. Buying a civil servant a coffee these > days is one of the forbidden activities. I do trust you are not suggesting > that illegal methods were used when the data was obtained. > > The use of the particular data concerned was first raised by one of the > Open Data specialists at Carlton University at a meeting between many > parties. Open data guy at the City of Ottawa unfortunately was not present > but the representatives from the City of Ottawa did say it would be looked > into. Later I spoke to them after the meeting and they thought with the > current climate of cooperation with different government levels there > should not be a problem. > > The traditional way to gently refuse something is for it to get lost in > the system. I haven't seen any signs of that yet. > > I think things have moved forward but perhaps not at the pace everyone > might like. > > Cheerio John > > On 24 Oct 2016 6:03 pm, "James" <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Bjenk(STATS Can) is communicating/pushing with the the city of Ottawa, >> even may resolve to offering coffee bribes to be able to host the shared >> file on open.canada.ca. He's been relentless in his effort to move the >> project forward, but as most Canadian gouvernment entities it moves at a >> snails pace as it is stuck in bureaucratic hell. >> >> On Oct 24, 2016 5:38 PM, "Stewart C. Russell" <scr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Christoph, >>> >>> > Could you please clarify what the alleged source of the building data >>> to >>> > be imported is? >>> >>> Yes, as far as I understand it, at least: these data to be imported were >>> given to a group of OSM contributors by the City of Ottawa. They have >>> explicit permission to include it in OSM from the City. The only place >>> you can inspect the data is on the contributors' own hosting sites, as >>> the city doesn't host it anywhere. Details of the licence and >>> permissions are on the Ottawa import information page. >>> >>> > What is shown in >>> > >>> > https://gist.github.com/scruss/5a3f469c47df5d27fdba28258c273b45 >>> > >>> > does not match geometry-wise. >>> >>> I know. That link was derived from the city's own topo database from >>> 2011, which *is* published on the city's open data website. I have a >>> feeling that the city doesn't want to give away their 2016 topo database >>> — not realising that by allowing the 2016 building outlines to be >>> imported into OSM, they kind of *are* giving away the current database >>> ... >>> >>> The public 2011 data set is cut into 2×1 km tiles, slicing through >>> buildings on the border. There are no common attributes which would >>> allow repair, as the data is packaged in AutoCAD DWG files. >>> >>> So the options are: >>> >>> 1. Import from a current source that we have OSM contributors' word that >>> was provided by the city under a permissive licence, or >>> >>> 2. Import from a data set that is published on the City website but is >>> possibly outdated, is in a horrible file format, has no documentation or >>> metadata (apart from the licence) and would need a large amount of >>> cleanup to be remotely usable. >>> >>> If [2] is the only option, I have a feeling that the Canadian federal >>> government, the City of Ottawa and Open North (the open data advocacy >>> group providing coding and community liaison support) would be strongly >>> disinclined to work with or support OSM again. Worst of all, the tiny >>> Canadian OSM community might lose some very dedicated mappers if this >>> process puts them off contributing again. >>> >>> cheers, >>> Stewart >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Imports mailing list >>> impo...@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/imports >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> -- 外に遊びに行こう！
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