I know in Quebec the place=village tag has been adopted to tag the municipalities other than town, cities and suburb, regardless of population. I think, but don’t know for sure, the main reason for this is actually the rendering engine(s). The place=village tag get a nice rendering that allow to identify the municipalities visually on the map. When the municipality, label and other tags are used (instead of village), they render very small and are not useful. There is a need for municipality names to stand out at a descent zoom level on the map, regardless of population. That is important for navigating the territory. So I guess my bit of advise is to not only look at the pure logic of OSM tagging to understand what is being done in the field and also how rendering is done and maybe you will get a better understanding of why people do that they do. Now there are tons of rendering engines beside openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org/> but that one is a good place to start with.
I also agree that a more consistent scheme needs to be worked out. It is hard to maintain the current one. In Quebec there has been mergers over the years and often multiple villages are now in one municipality and both informations need to show in OSM somehow. Martin > On Jan 24, 2019, at 13:24, Danny McDonald <mparra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Repeating this, since it seemed to get bumped by all the building import > talk. Now with a catchier subject line. > DannyMcD > > My understanding of place tagging is that place=city, place=town, and > place=village are for distinct urban settlements, whether or not they are > separate municipalities. Place=suburb is for large parts of urban > settlements (such as North York in Toronto, or Kanata in Ottawa). Whether to > classify a place as a place=city/town/village or place=suburb depends on the > facts on the ground (I.e. whether a place is part of a larger urban > settlement), and not primarily on municipal/administrative boundaries. > Municipal boundaries might be somewhat relevant in determining if a place is > distinct (e.g. Vaughan is a city, not a suburb), but they are a relatively > minor factor. The main way that municipal names are mapped is through admin > boundary relations, not place nodes (although many municipalities have the > same name as their largest urban settlement, of course). The way to > distinguish between a place=city, place=town, and place=village is population > size, with nearby places shading things a bit (so a smaller population size > qualifies for a place=town in Northern Ontario). Very roughly, a city has > population >50k, a town has population 5k-50k, and a village is <5k. > > There seems to be a persistent mis-understanding of this scheme, where > various editors (mainly @OntarioEditor and various other accounts controlled > by them) believe that place=city/town/village are for municipalities, whether > or not the municipality has one major urban settlement with the same name as > the municipality or not. They are also tagging all unincorporated places in > a municipality as place=suburb, regardless of size or distinctness. Finally, > they are using the official title of the municipality to determine if it is a > city/town/village, whether than using population size. This can lead to very > misleading results, as Ontario municipalities called towns range in size from > 313 to 195k, and Ontario municipalities called cities range in size from 8k > to 2.7M. Quebec “ville”s (which means town or city) range in size from 5 to > 1.6M. > > To give an example, consider Minto > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7486154 > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7486154>) in southwest Ontario. It > has two distinct population centres, Harriston and Palmerston. In the OSM > scheme, both are tagged as place=town, and the municipality name Minto (since > it does not correspond to a distinct urban settlement) does not get a place > tag (except perhaps as a place=municipality at the municipal offices). The > mistaken scheme is to tag Harriston and Palmerston as place=suburb, and > create a place=town node for Minto. > > Any thoughts? > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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