First, I'd really like you to stop being so aggressive. You could spend that energy to actually do something to improve OSM rather than ranting about not being able to understand other languages. Keep in mind that I was respectful enough to start this discussion in English, so literally everyone could understand me. And you was disrespectful enough to say that people who speak Russian are not part of the local community, even when they physically live in Estonia. Don't be racist, OSM is not about the race or the language we speak, okay? International projects are supposed to bring people together. Where does this hatred come from?
Now, here are my points: 1) It was discussed in talk-ee mailing list 30.03.2013. 2) After the 2013 import was done, I even made a short presentation during SotM Baltics 2013 explaining this import and the tools we used. 3) You’re talking about maintaining the data, but that's exactly what I'm doing right now. 4) I'm really sorry for you if your import was a crap. Mine wasn't. Even looking at my import 5 years later I can still say that it was a complete success and the right thing to do. 5) The source of the data is Maa-amet. I'm not offering any editor tools nor any way to alter the data. My tools are only to confirm or reject the objects to be imported, thus there is no editors per se that needs to be identified. 6) This is not a blind import - people see every single change that is going to happen, and free to confirm or reject every one of them. Воскресенье, 4 августа 2019, 19:41 +03:00 от "Jaak Laineste" <j...@nutiteq.com>: > > Your tools are really cool from technical perspective, but have you ever > discussed it fully with the local community, so the stategy is agreed? I see > link in the wiki page to some forum, but this is not a local community forum, > it is Russian forum and it is even in a language what a lot of younger > generation does not understand. It is just as absurd as if we would start to > discuss in Estonian how to map say New York, agree some strategies and then > assume that it is ok to garbage the map there. I really hope you don't > consider Estonia somehow as a part of Russia. > > My position is that in early years of OSM automatic imports of map for regions > what you don’t know made some sense, but now they do more harm - create map > data what is not maintained and not maintainable. Kind of digital garbage. Is > is much better map less, more carefully, and avoid senseless copy of other map > data. Again, if someone needs Maaamet maps then they should take the latest > version from them anytime. There is no need to copy if over to OSM at all. OSM > is never meant to be collection of different geo datasets, even if they are > really nice, it is human-created original global map database. > > Now if you decide to do it, then the editors must be identified. There is > process on agreeing on legal contributor terms of edits, including right to > take back the agreement. If you put all edits under your own name, then anyone > can claim that you did not do the edits, and can request to just undo all of > them. It looks like complete legal mess there from IP perspective. Also there > is no way to ask comments/clarifications about specific edits. Therefore > proper way to do it would be like with editors like ID, JOSM etc - every user > is identified with OSM username, takes responsibility for his/her edits, so it > is clear who to contact and who is responsible for this. > > I did several mass-imports in early OSM days myself, after discussions with > local and international community. They looked nice at once, but in longer > term maybe it was even bad idea, there would be more motivated contributors, > and the map would be more useful and interesting without them. There is still > “dead” data what noone can update (from Corine for example), and I would be > more happy if someone would create a tool to automatically delete it now. > > Jaak > > > > On 4 Aug 2019, at 14:26, SviMik <svi...@mail.ru> wrote: > > > > For everyone who is new here, this is exactly the same import we did 5 years > ago, just updating it with new data. > > > > The import is briefly described on the wiki page: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maa-amet#Import > > > > 1. The account for the imports is: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SviMik_import/history > > > > 2. Why do you need streets? I'm just asking to confirm putting that address > on that outline. All you need to do is just make sure they match. > > > > > > Воскресенье, 4 августа 2019, 13:16 +03:00 от "Jaak Laineste" > <j...@nutiteq.com>: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> About first 2 tools: > >> > >> 1. what they do as result exactly? add data to OSM database? If yes, then > >> under which username? I don’t see any auth here, is feels like “anonymous > >> editor”, but OSM does not allow anonymous edits. > >> > >> 2. about second one - map view is too much zoomed in, usually I don’t see > any > >> streets to see the context, so it is really like filling random captchas > >> without any real check. > >> > >> > >> In general I miss here location filters, I want only work with my home > >> city/village what I know about. Generally “guerilla mapping” where you jump > in > >> to a random place you really know nothing about is not generating good map > >> quality in long term at all, and this not suggested. If you map something, > >> then you will be responsible for the data and you need to be sure that it > will > >> be also up-to-date in years to come. Especially if you do random map copy, > in > >> principle here we just copy maa-amet map which does not give much value, > >> everyone could just use maaamet vector map data, this is openly shared > also. > >> Remote mapping is suggested only for exceptional cases, e.g. in emergencies > >> (HOT actions) where you need quickly map and cannot go to the place. > >> > >> But the tools can be very useful - I would use them for my known, usually > >> quite small specific regions like city or village. I can do ground work and > >> will maintain my edits later, and I cannot do it if mapping area is whole > >> country. > >> > >> > >> Jaak > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 3 Aug 2019, at 17:38, SviMik via Talk-ee <talk-ee@openstreetmap.org> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> And it needs your help! > >>> There's many new buildings that were built during the last 5 years. Let's > >> bring the map up to date. > >>> > >>> - To import brand new buildings, visit this page: > >>> http://osm.svimik.com/btrace_verify.php > >>> Just click OK making sure there's no building in OSM already by looking at > >> the map in the middle. > >>> > >>> - Some buildings were drawn by other users, but they didn't put an > address. > >> Visit this page to help add addresses to existing buildings: > >>> http://osm.svimik.com/xgis2osm.php?lang=en > >>> Just enter the house numbers from the pictures like a captcha solving. > >>> > >>> - Like to map roads? The 'Missing roads' validator is back to life too! > >>> http://osm.svimik.com/noroad.php > >>> It shows all the places where a building exists, but there's no roads > around > >> to get there. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Talk-ee mailing list > >>> Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Svjatoslav Mikhailov > > -- Svjatoslav Mikhailov _______________________________________________ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
