Andy, you make some excellent points. It would be interesting to know how decisions can be made - it seems the mailing list is no longer representative of editors, and neither is the wiki....
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 18 December 2014 at 17:25, Brian Prangle <bpran...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hooray for Andy Allan - some commonsense! > > On 18 December 2014 at 13:36, Andy Allan <gravityst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 18 December 2014 at 11:30, SK53 <sk53....@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I personally feel the current discussion is now thrashing. >> >> I personally feel that the opposition to Matthijs' work is becoming >> farcical. After setting up dozens of hoops for him to jump through, >> which he has done, and then because he managed that creating more and >> more, it's now in the position where people are proposing keeping >> demonstrably incorrect data in the database for no coherent reason. >> Moreover, despite all common sense showing that it never actually >> happens, we're expecting other people to spend their free time on >> meaningless, brainless drudge-work in order to fix simple typos by >> hand, in some kind of "well this sainsbury's might not actually have >> an apostrophe maybe it fell off the wall or something" nonsense. "Oh >> boy, I'm sure glad that all these typos are there for me to fix by >> hand! That's the /best/ use of my free time, it's /such/ fun." >> >> This mailing list appears to be having some sort of immune-response >> over-reaction. We don't like mechanical edits in general. Fine. >> Therefore every mechanical edit must be fought against, to the bitter >> end. That's an over-reaction. >> >> > No-one seems to dispute that we do not have a consensus, Can we leave >> it at >> > that "we agree to disagree". It is usual in such cases to keep the >> status >> > quo ante. >> >> No, that can't work any more. If we're going to build a successful >> community here in the UK then we need to cope with thousands of people >> having their own opinion, not just "no consensus" among a few dozen >> people on this list. Having every sensible plan derailed by >> "noticeable opposition" is not a scalable policy either. This concept >> of regional "opt-outs" is also badly thought through, since nobody is >> "in charge" of a particular area (no matter how much they might strut >> around on the lists) and encouraging people to self-appoint as having >> area-based vetoes builds the opposite of the community that we're >> trying to build. >> >> I'd like to encourage everyone to step back, and think of a better way >> to organize ourselves. This isn't it. >> >> Thanks, >> Andy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > >
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