Hi, new to OSM edit. I live in an estate TW10 7NY. Currently 192 homes and it is at risk of redevelopment in to make 425 homes. There is also a community project to document historical features so I want to thank you for this guidance. It will be helpful to edit entries. Regards, Andres On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 19:42 +0100, SK53 wrote: > My normal practice is to map the estate as a separate landuse area > and name that. One example I've done fairly recently in this way is > the Whittington Estate, Highgate. > > My view is that named estates vary in size & local perception too > much for a single place=* usage. Most London ones will be perceived > to be in a particular suburb (even quite large ones) so I don't think > the suburb tag is likely to be appropriate. They are usually very > well delineated, both on the ground and in terms of architecture. > Several distinct estates may also form a coherent neighbourhood. > > Recent examples I've looked at (largely inspired by John Boughton who > blogs & tweets as Muncipal Dreams): > > Ossulton Estate (Somertown): name attached to buildings. > Old Oak Estate (Acton/Hammersmith): not mapped. There are two early > 20C estates either side of Du Cane road. > Progress Estate (Eltham): added as an area. > New Addington (LB of Croydon, but a place in its own right). John > Gringrod's new book Outskirts, about the Green Belt, features this > estate extensively. He grew up there. > A couple of Islington estates (perhaps Andover) which were anonymised > in a 1970s book. I don't have the reference to hand. > Delineating the estates is very useful for a number of reasons > associated with the study of these areas: history, architecture, > urban planning, sociology etc. Detailed mapping may be of direct > assistance for residents associations (the sort of thing Tom has done > in the past). Of course the ideal would be that mapping involved > people who live on the estates. Plenty of the modern academic > literature comes from people who grew up on council estates. > I would recommend seeing what has been written about these places as > a way of informing ones mapping. There's often surprisingly detailed > information: its not unusual for some older people living on these > estates to have known them all their lives. Or their children return > frequently: Ian Waites accounts and photos of the Middlefield Estate > in Gainsborough show what can be done. > Other writers worth reading for perspectives relevant to mapping > stuff on OSM include: Lynsey Hanley ("Estates"), Owen Hatherley > (mainly in articles and all over the place), Chris Matthews > (Nottingham & other East Midland estates), Lisa Mckenzie (who > espouses "narrative from within"). These are all in one way or other > left-wing. > Regards, > > Jerry > > On 21 August 2017 at 16:49, Tom Chance <t...@acrewoods.net> wrote: > > Hi Nicolas, > > > > I think that could be really valuable. One of the first mapping > > parties I attended was one I helped Harry organise, to map north > > Peckham when the whole area was a blank space on the map, and in > > particular to add more detail for roads and footpaths through > > estates that were usually just shown as gaps in other maps. I also > > helped map the trees on the Heygate Estate before demolition > > started, which is great to have as an archive of what was there > > before the developers reneged on promises and cut some of the best > > specimens down. > > > > Just a few points/questions... > > > > 1. Presumably the data is coming from people's local knowledge, so > > there aren't any copyright issues? What's the underlying map people > > are adding them to - OSM? Google maps? That might create a > > copyright issue. I know there are maps of London council estates > > knocking around that are based on Ordnance Survey data. > > > > 2. Someone would then need to go through, one by one, and check > > whether the estate's name is already in the database before adding > > the missing names. There are already lots in OSM, so it would be > > good to avoid adding duplicates. > > > > 3. I'm not sure we've ever settled on the right place= value for > > estates. It's some years since I was really actively mapping - > > these days I just maintain my immediate area. But would it be > > place=neighbourhood, place=locality, place=estate, something else? > > > > 4. Some estates are entered as nodes, others as areas, and some > > areas are landuse=residential while others are just given the > > estate name. Again, this might be a good opportunity to get a > > consistent approach? > > > > Best wishes, > > Tom > > > > Tom Chance > > Housing policy and programmes consultant > > m: 07866 447 075 > > w: http://tomchance.org > > > > On 17 August 2017 at 12:18, Nicolas Fonty <fonty.nico...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Hi Bjoern > > > > > > Not yet in OSM. For the moment we are just locating their > > > approximative centre with coordinates + their name. > > > And that would be interesting to then use this data to export it > > > to OSM. > > > What do you think ? > > > > > > On 17 August 2017 at 11:34, Bjoern Hassler <bjohas...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi Nicolas, > > > > > > > > When you say you are mapping estates, do you mapping them into > > > > OSM? > > > > > > > > Do you use the task manager? > > > > Bjoern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Aug 2017 10:06, "Nicolas Fonty" <fonty.nico...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi ! > > > > Following up the idea on "Missing map London", I remember that > > > > someone mentioned the Housing Estates. I would be interested to > > > > work on that issue if others want too. > > > > I am participating this week to a workshop at the ICA where we > > > > map London estates under regeneration. We have 250 at the > > > > moment. There will be an exhibition this week-end if you are > > > > interested. > > > > > > > > Best summer wishes ! > > > > nicolas > > > > > > > > On 9 May 2017 at 09:15, Bjoern Hassler <bjohas...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Stuart, hi Derek, hi all, > > > > > > > > > > Sure, a marathon and field mapping would be great. And it can > > > > > wait until after the election, for sure! > > > > > > > > > > Regarding NAPTAN, see here http://bjohas.de/wiki/Maps/Kings_C > > > > > ross/Comparison. While this is only kings cross, I've found > > > > > the situation the same elsewhere. However, maybe the data has > > > > > improved over the last year? Or maybe I got something wrong? > > > > > Could be worth another look, but my experience was that it's > > > > > not all that useful, i.e. many stations don't have entrances > > > > > in the NAPTAN data at all, and often they are way off. I > > > > > still have the GPX I produced a year ago and would be happy > > > > > to share it of course. > > > > > > > > > > The experience with NAPTAN data partially made me to want to > > > > > do something about the station entrances. They are important > > > > > access features and I don't know of a good map source for > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > Let me know what you think! > > > > > All the best, > > > > > Bjoern > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 8 May 2017 at 23:45, Stuart Reynolds > > > > > esoutheast.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > For reference, virtually all of the entrances are contained > > > > > > within the London NaPTAN data (https://data.gov.uk/dataset/ > > > > > > naptan) which is the data that begins with the prefix 4900. > > > > > > The tube entrances all begin 4909ZZLU followed by a three > > > > > > letter code for the station plus a digit to distinguish > > > > > > between different entrances. For example, 4909ZZLUBNK0 > > > > > > would be an entrance to Bank, while 4900ZZLUTWH0 would be > > > > > > Tower Hill. > > > > > > > > > > > > While these do not give you accessibility information, they > > > > > > are all maintained by TfL and should give you accurate > > > > > > positional information. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 May 2017, at 21:02, Derick Rethans > > > > > > nl> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is a good idea. We have something UK wide, > > > > > > > but doing it a > > > > > > > local way makes a lot of sense (and easier to complete). > > > > > > > Happy to do > > > > > > > this "fix the tube network" thing over a few weekends > > > > > > > (After the General > > > > > > > Election that is). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > Derick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 4 May 2017, Bjoern Hassler wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Grant, dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for putting on the meeting, and thanks for the > > > > > > sponsored pizza! Good > > > > > > > > > > meeting last night, and god to have met you all. > > > > > > > > > > Following up on the "Missing Maps London" idea, I thought we > > > could may do > > > > some "map challenges" that look at specific things that need work. > > It might > > be a nice community building activity, and provide some continuity > between > > meetings? > > > As an experiment, I've formulated one such challenges here > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_public_transport_tagging_s > cheme/Map_Challenges > > and added images / interactive maps / help for new mappers. > > > See what you think and let me know whether there's interest. Results > could > > be announced at the next meeting? > > > All the best, > > Bjoern > > > > On 30 April 2017 at 17:30, Grant Slater <openstreet...@firefishy.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > We trying a new format OpenStreetMap evening meetup in London this > > > Wednesday 3rd May 2017... We'd love for you to come along: > > > > > > https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Q-A-Meetup/events/239366249/ > > > > > > New to OpenStreetMap and want to learn more or need some help > > getting > > > started? Already mapping or using OSM and have any Questions or > > > Challenges or want to see what others are up to? This is the event > > for > > > you. > > > > > > We already have 3 great speakers lined up for the evening: > > > > > > * Andy Allan - OpenCycleMap / Thunderforest > > > * Astrid Thorseth - Missing Maps > > > * Derick Rethans - London Mapper > > > > > > We have a great venue (bias, I work there), there will be pizza and > > > soft drinks provided. > > > > > > I'd love to hear any suggestions on how we could improve the event > > or > > > what works elsewhere. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Grant > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Talk-gb-london mailing list > > > talk-gb-lon...@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-london > > > > > > -- > https://derickrethans.nl | https://xdebug.org | https://dram.io > Like Xdebug? 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