Hello Tony and Gareth, Thanks for your thoughts.
My main thought was a specialised JOSM plugin - I did take a look at OSM's main GPX trace facility but it appears not to preserve tags in the uploaded trace. Some versions of the MapThePaths app (the first version, and the current version on Gitlab) allow GPX upload to OSM but the tags are removed. So I'm thinking that my own storage (I have quite a bit of available storage) and a custom JOSM plugin, which, for example, creates colour-coded and clickable traces showing the ROW designation, surface and highway tags might be the way to go. Thanks, Nick ________________________________ From: Gareth L <o...@live.co.uk> Sent: 14 May 2020 09:56 To: Tony OSM <tonyo...@gmail.com> Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Rights of way mapping - making it easy for newcomers to OSM (perhaps!) I wonder if it would be possible to use the GPS trace feature on OSM for this? Maybe format the name in a way to make it easier to retrieve? Takes care of the storage of the traces. On 14 May 2020, at 09:22, Tony OSM <tonyo...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Nick I like the two stage approach - surveying then mapping. It would work well - some of my friends like walking but can't map to save their life, whereas I can't walk far but love mapping - Win Win for us all. May I suggest that a layer be created for JOSM with all the paths and their details as provided for MapThePaths. Personally I find it easier to work with JOSM and I have learnt to create a style to highlight PROW's, but I don't know how to create a JOSM layer. Separate layers would allow us to manually transfer from PROW layer to MAP layer thus avoiding the mechanical import rules, and would allow us to manually conflate where a path is already mapped but PROW data is absent. A layer containing the surveyed GPS data so that all the sources we need are available would be awesome. I may be asking for a workflow that is close to existing, if that is the case I am able to test and document the workflow for the UK wiki if that would be helpful. Tony Shield TonyS999 On 13/05/2020 18:11, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Oops... sorry one or two editing errors in the last paragraph. I meant to say: "They [the non-expert user] select ROW type and path surface via a nice interface, and then a tagged GPX trace is generated, *with trksegs tagged with ROW designation and surface* (which was done by the first version of the app anyway). This is then uploaded to the MapThePaths server, and volunteer expert users *are alerted*. Said expert user then downloads the GPX trace and, *using the tags in the trksegs of the GPX* then edits in JOSM, perhaps via a JOSM plugin - or even directly in the MapThePaths web app. (I am possibly thinking of adding way creation into the MapThePaths web app anyway, time depending)." Nick ________________________________ From: Nick Whitelegg Sent: 13 May 2020 18:08 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org><mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Rights of way mapping - making it easy for newcomers to OSM (perhaps!) Hi, Just to continue with the theme of rights of way mapping, I've been noticing that there are still large tracts of England and Wales away from the 'honeypot' areas with little or now ROW mapping at all meaning there's still quite a big job to be done. As you may remember I have been developing a companion app to MapThePaths. In the first version of this (around two years ago) I experimented with auto-converting GPX traces to OSM ways. However I was dissatisfied with the results, the ways generated were really rather nasty and I ended up having to prettify them significantly in JOSM afterwards, rendering the auto-creation facility a little pointless. Consequently later versions of the app have focused on merely presenting the council and OSM data overlaid (like the website), with only limited editing facilities, to change the designation of a path. However (and I may have mentioned this before, it's been a while) I am wondering about a 'two-user' approach in which a new user merely does the GPX survey, using an easy to use UI (a refined version of the MapThePaths app with the UI re-designed by someone more versed in UX than myself). They select ROW type and path surface via a nice interface, and then a tagged GPX trace is generated (which was done by the first version of the app anyway). This is then uploaded to the MapThePaths server, and volunteer expert users. Said expert user then downloads the GPX trace and then edits in JOSM, perhaps via a JOSM plugin - or even directly in the MapThePaths web app. (I am possibly thinking of adding way creation into the MapThePaths web app anyway, time depending). Any thoughts? 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