Having said all that, I just realised that Counties are name = "County Kildare" and loc_name = "Kildare". So there is a precedent for the additional text and "Barony of " seems as justifiable as "County " to me. I'm happy to adopt whatever the consensus is.
Thanks, - John. PS I know some people who would appreciate visibility on borders for Municipal Districts - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_district_%28Ireland%29. Could tagging/naming guidelines be proposed for those too? On 2 December 2014 at 23:39, John Kennedy <jkenned...@gmail.com> wrote: > Brian thanks for raising this point - may I broaden it a little? > > I too noticed that some mappers include "ED" and "Civil Parish" but > actually many do not and I haven't noticed any guidance on this > anywhere for the moment. So it would be good to come to a consensus on > these terms also. > > Thinking about it a bit, I would suggest we try to find a way to > improve the readability of the map rather than add the extra text to > the names of CPs, EDs or Baronies inside the OSM database. For > example, it might be possible for the renderer of the (really helpful) > slippymap at http://dev3.openstreetmap.ie/osm/slippymap.html to add > the extra text automatically, or perhaps the fonts / colours / > hatching could be tweaked. > > I suggest approaching it from this point of view so we can stick to > the OSM convention of capturing the "what" just the once, in the other > tags only. As well as reducing effort, text, duplication, possibility > of mistakes, it also allows names to be queried automatically as > expected. Forgive the ridiculous examples but if somebody wanted to > analyse how many "things" start with each letter of the alphabet...we > don't want them to have to write an exception for Irish Baronies so > that they start at the 11th character (to skip "Barony of "). Or for > the student who for some reason wants to calculate the average length > of names of things in OSM, we don't want them to have to subtract 13 > when it comes to length of names of " Civil Parish". > > Just my 2 cents. Thanks for listening, and thanks to everyone who is > contributing to the townlanding project. > - John. > > On 2 December 2014 at 10:00, Brian Hollinshead <br...@hollinshead.net> wrote: >> In County Carlow there is Rathvilly Town, and ED and Civil Parish and >> Barony. Having an interest in Historical boundaries as well as their >> relevance for genealogy I printed out an A1 map of County Carlow with >> townlands and Civil parishes and Baronies. >> >> Even though the barony names were in a different font size and colour I >> felt it would be more friendly to anyone reading the map to prefix >> Barony of to each barony name where I had not remembered to. I may also >> have strayed into PJNAs wexford with the same in mind. (Sorry PJ) >> >> Maybe we could reach a gentle consensus as to how to approach this, I look >> forward to your views. We already include ED and Civil Parish in their >> titles. I wonder if we are going to include Barony of whether the >> preset magician Donal can prepopulate the name box? No hardship if he can't. >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ie mailing list >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie