Yes, I think it may be more productive in this case to approach the leaders of
the OSM Japan community, rather than individual mappers.
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>________________________________
> From: Andrew Errington <erringt...@gmail.com>
>To: Mikel Maron <mikel_ma...@yahoo.com>; talk-ko@openstreetmap.org; Wesley
>Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung <wesle...@gmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [Talk-ko] Possible border dispute brewing?
>
>Hi,
>
>I asked someone for advice about this and indeed was told to try approaching
>the mappers directly.
>
>I did ask a couple of mappers to stop, but it was a couple of months ago and I
>never received a reply. Since then I have looked at the area again and seen
>more damage. It is frustrating to me as I care a lot about the map.
>
>I am not going to choose sides, but I think that since Dokdo is currently
>protected by Korea it should be labelled as Korean territory. If this
>changes in the future then of course it can be re-labelled. Naturally,
>tagging can include :ko and :ja tags simultaneously.
>
>I have not attempted to contact any Japanese group. Has anyone else?
>
>Finally, just FYI there are 34 addresses on this mailing list (a couple of
>which are 'bots) and it's usually quiet. I don't know if this represents
>all, most, some or a few of the mappers in Korea. Also, Korean mappers speak
>Korean, so we need a volunteer translator (or several) to translate anything
>important between Korean and English.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Andrew
>
>On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:30:56 Mikel Maron wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I was asked by the poster of this thread to act in mediation on this issue.
>> I am happy to do so.
>>
>> The same issue has been raised to me multiple times after I visited South
>> Korea in May (when I joined this list). Each time I have said the same
>> thing initially, and received no further response. The first step for
>> dispute mediation in OSM is for those affected to attempt dialogue directly
>> with the other mappers involved; and failing that, the other community
>> involved, if it exists and is
>> active. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes
>>
>> Has this been tried by anyone? The Japanese OSM community has a mailing
>> list, and the main members are the same that are organizing this year's
>> SOTM. In short, I would expect a reasonable and open response to
>> communication.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mikel
>>
>>
>>
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>> >________________________________
>> > From: Wesley Woo-Duk Hwang-Chung <wesle...@gmail.com>
>> >To: "Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org" <Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org>
>> >Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:07 AM
>> >Subject: [Talk-ko] Possible border dispute brewing?
>> >
>> >
>> >While I was editing the administrative border for
>> > Gyeongsangbuk-do(Gyeongbuk), it came to my attention that a user named
>> > kazuchi has removed Dokdo's maritime border. This was noticeable since
>> > Dokdo is part of Gyeongbuk.
>> >
>> >My suspicion is that the user in question is a Japanese. In any case,
>> > while I was doing further edits to complete the admin borders for
>> > Gyeongbuk, the editor spewed out save errors. Seeing the problem might
>> > not be on my end, I checked the relation.
>> >
>> >To my horror, the very same user decided to outright delete all relations
>> > that were related to the maritime border I set up around Dokdo, and then
>> > some. Here's the changeset:
>> >
>> >http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12829541
>> >
>> >Basically, this guy had the balls to delete the relations for the admin
>> > borders for the entire South Korea, as well as Gyeongbuk, Gangwon, and
>> > the Dokdo itself.
>> >
>> >I was able to restore the data up to the previous saved point for now, but
>> > some progress on Gyeongbuk has been lost.
>> >
>> >I fear that this may not be the end of the story, as the Japanese
>> > government has sharply increased the rhetoric on the claim that
>> > Dokdo(a.k.a. Takeshima) is its territory in the recent weeks as a
>> > retaliation against the South Korean president visiting the island. I've
>> > seen similar instances of vandalism on Wikipedia already.
>> >
>> >The problem has been reported to OSM's mediator, but I'm not sure if that
>> > would do any good if this ever escalates.
>> >
>> >I realize that many of you who are doing map edits on South Korea are of
>> > foreign nationality. So I can't simply ask you to just take my side, but
>> > I think everyone should know what's going on. At the least, please help
>> > restore data points that are supposed to be unrelated to these spats if
>> > they ever get deleted like this.
>> >
>> >Thank you.
>> >
>> >- Wesley (OSM: Namuori)
>> >
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