well like all things OSM...use where it applies :) On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM, maning sambale<emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Especially ferry routes. At least in garmin, you need to connect a > road to the ferry route to be able to use the device for inter-island > navigation. I don't think this is truly correct. If there is really > no road between the pier and the pier parking, why should we link > them? > > Just a thought. > > I agree with Eugene, keepright is not yet optimized for an archipelago > like ours. But given more feedback, it will get better. > > On 7/21/09, George Tujan <gtu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> @marloue: we'll just have to recheck the roads, maning is probably >> right we might have missed something out. >> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM, maning >> sambale<emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> The plane route shoud connect to a road, that's how I understand it. >>> Same with ferry routes >>> >>> On 7/21/09, Marloue Pidor <mur...@mail2engineer.com> wrote: >>>> Ohh, but I added a flight route from Davao to Manila. Check the data, >>>> its there but I don't know why it did not appear. So, Technically Davao >>>> is connected to Manila by plane. I will try to add ferry route to >>>> Manila. Its a very long route. >>>> >>>> >>>> murlwe >>>> >>>> <-----Original Message-----> >>>>>From: Eugene Alvin Villar [sea...@gmail.com] >>>>>Sent: 7/21/2009 12:10:35 PM >>>>>To: totor_...@yahoo.com >>>>>Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >>>>>Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >>>>> >>>>>Hi guys, >>>>> >>>>>I asked the tool's maintainer how the floating island error is >>>> determined. >>>>>Here's his answer: >>>>>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038800.html >>>>> >>>>>I've reprinted it here below for convenience: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The motto of this check is "you can go everywhere from everywhere". >>>>> >>>>>There is a set of starting points (highways in the center of big cities >>>> that are >>>>>well connected to many other streets) I picked randomly. The check >>>> finds ways >>>>>that are connected to these ways and thus finds a (bigger) set of ways. >>>> This >>>>>procedure is repeated until no more ways are found. Any way that was >>>> not found >>>>>is a floating island. >>>>> >>>>>There are 30 starting points all over the world, one of them in Manila. >>>>> >>>>>Please note that the check will follow any highway and ferries are >>>> included, so >>>>>it _should_ find islands as long as there's a ferry connected to a >>>> highway on >>>>>the island. >>>>> >>>>>So it seems that everything not connected to the main streets of Metro >>>> Manila is >>>>>considered as a "floating island". Mindoro is covered since there is a >>>> ferry >>>>>route from Batangas to Puerto Galera. I think if we can at least sketch >>>> out the >>>>>Ro-Ro routes, we can cover most of the major island. I will also >>>> suggest adding >>>>>Cebu and Davao cities as seeds to minimize problems. >>>>> >>>>>However, this will not cover all the islands (there are about 2,000 >>>> inhabited >>>>>islands out of 7,100+ and not all of them have regular ferry routes >>>> [like >>>>>Batanes (?) which is served by flights]) so this means that we cannot >>>> rely on >>>>>keep right to point out all floating island errors. I think a >>>> customized QA tool >>>>>for the Philippines would be needed. >>>>> >>>>>I hope this helps! In the meantime, just uncheck this error and ignore >>>> it until >>>>>we can have a backbone connection for the Philippines and more seeds. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Eugene / seav >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Totor Osm <totor_...@yahoo.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I saw some blue arrows indicating 2 roads are close, but not >>>> conneected. In Cebu >>>>>this is the case near Car-Car in the south, and also in the north of >>>> Cebu >>>>>Island. Maybe this could be the reason for the "island" warning on >>>> other >>>>>intersections (Not connected to the world, because of these gaps)? >>>>> >>>>>I'll try to connect them tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>--- On Mon, 7/20/09, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes global >>>>>> To: "Totor Osm" <totor_...@yahoo.com> >>>>>> Cc: "Openstreetmap.ph.mailing.list" <talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> >>>>>> Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 2:53 PM >>>>> >>>>>> Ack! >>>>>> >>>>>> I've done a quick look around and it seems that the >>>>>> general Luzon road network is the only one not riddled with >>>>>> these errors! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, >>>>>> Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Totor, >>>>>> >>>>>> George also replied asking what these floating island >>>>>> errors mean. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I understand it, it means that there is a small >>>>>> network of navigable ways that is not connected to the rest >>>>>> of the network. It does detect "islands" in Metro >>>>>> Manila but I'm quite surprised to find that it seems to >>>>>> think that the Cebu road network is one big error! Maybe a >>>>>> few ferry routes would fix it? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll ask the creator of keep right. I don't think >>>>>> he anticipated archipelagos. Hehehe. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eugene / seav >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:43 PM, >>>>>> Totor Osm <totor_...@yahoo.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Great, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> but,ehr, could it be that Cebu is just one big floating >>>>>> island ??? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=14&lat=10.35578& >>>> lon=123.92528&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100 >>>> =1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192 >>>> =1&ch193=1&ch194=1&ch201=1&ch202=1&ch203=1&ch204=1&ch210=1&ch220=1&show_ >>>> ign=1&show_tmpign=1 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Whats wrong with the orange arrows? The nodes of the >>>>>> intersections look ok to me... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > From: Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Subject: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] keepright! goes >>>>>> global >>>>>> >>>>>> > To: "OSM" <talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 4:21 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> > Hi guys, >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > The keepright! QA tool for OSM just went almost >>>>>> global. >>>>>> >>>>>> > Previously this tool was only enabled for Europe. This >>>>>> tool >>>>>> >>>>>> > highlights spatial errors (such as overlapping >>>>>> unconnected >>>>>> >>>>>> > ways that have no layer tags to separate them), and >>>>>> tagging >>>>>> >>>>>> > errors (such as POIs without a name tag). >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > Here's a URL centered at the Makati CBD: >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_XD&zoom=15&lat=14.55284& >>>> lon=121.02068&layers=B0T&ch30=1&ch40=1&ch50=1&ch60=1&ch70=1&ch90=1&ch100 >>>> =1&ch110=1&ch120=1&ch130=1&ch150=1&ch160=1&ch170=1&ch180=1&ch191=1&ch192 >>>> = >>>>> >>>>>=== message truncated === >>>> >>>> >>>> <span id=m2wTl><p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" >>>> style="font-size:13.5px">_______________________________________________________________<BR>Get >>>> the Free email that has everyone talking at <a >>>> href=http://www.mail2world.com >>>> target=new>http://www.mail2world.com</a><br> >>>> <font color=#999999>Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar >>>> – SMS – Translator – Much More!</font></font></span> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> cheers, >>> maning >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >>> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >>> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk-ph mailing list >>> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >>> >> > > > -- > cheers, > maning > ------------------------------------------------------ > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------ >
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