My opinion that we need to check by our own local maps and some data are duplicated too. I tried it here sa aming LGU, merong mga inconsistency eg, spelling, coordinates and duplication. But it helps kasi me mga label ka na sa map. Is GNS-NGA is open source? thanks. noel
Noel S. Mondragon Staff Information Office (034) 312 52 05 San Carlos City Hall FC Ledesma Avenue San Carlos City 6127 Negros Occidental Province --- On Tue, 9/21/10, talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org <talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: From: talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org <talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org> Subject: talk-ph Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18 To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:56 PM Send talk-ph mailing list submissions to talk-ph@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-ph-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-ph-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of talk-ph digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Some towns of Laguna a bit far from reality? (was: can you help me with this one?) (Eugene Alvin Villar) 2. Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Re: Re: Re: NGA-GNS uploads]] (Eugene Alvin Villar) 3. Re: NGA-GNS uploads (Anthony G. Balico) 4. Re: NGA-GNS uploads (maning sambale) 5. Re: Some towns of Laguna a bit far from reality? (was: can you help me with this one?) (tutubi) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:40:52 +0800 From: Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> To: maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> Cc: osm-ph <talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Some towns of Laguna a bit far from reality? (was: can you help me with this one?) Message-ID: <aanlktikwn+axjgvbqyfvzrztmvtocldfgdavbhjn1...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" BSWM data is sometimes quite wrong. I had to delete some of those roads that clashed horribly with the traces we collected for GMA, Cavite. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5761934 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:44 PM, maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi, > > Tutubi asked to look at his traces in Laguna. Looking at his trace > and the existing data. I am perplexed at the significant mismatch: > > http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.4219&lon=121.44588&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF > > Pakil has some issues as well. > > http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.38564&lon=121.47735&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF > > I'm guessing this an artifact of the old BSWM data import. Or > probably similar to Magallanes situation? > > Forwarded conversation > Subject: can you help me with this one? > ------------------------ > > From: tutubi <tut...@backpackingphilippines.com> > Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM > To: maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/backpacking%20philippines/traces/823535 > > it's a trace i did in siniloan, laguna from sta cruz. note the > mis-alligned roads, same ones i got from Pakil that i re-traced so > it's ok now. > > there are some roads in my trace that i passed by twice...looked like > the traces were just converted to ways thus the jagged roads > > thanks > > -- > --- > I explore, therefore I blog. > > http://www.backpackingphilippines.com > > ---------- > From: maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> > Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM > To: tutubi <tut...@backpackingphilippines.com> > > > OK. I'll look into it later. Paki-alamanan ko na ha. :) > -- > cheers, > maning > ------------------------------------------------------ > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > -- > cheers, > maning > ------------------------------------------------------ > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden > wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/attachments/20100921/d03e68af/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:14:06 +0800 From: Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> To: "Anthony G. Balico" <anthony.bal...@gmail.com> Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [Fwd: [Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Re: Re: Re: NGA-GNS uploads]] Message-ID: <aanlkti=1f_yrvj39fwf_vfkzmmtu6pd2xir15f+o8...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is a pretty tough issue. Imports are contentious in some sectors of the international OSM community. But for the Philippines where we don't have much data to import anyway, the question boils down to whether we prefer no data at all over poor data. GNS in particular seems to be problematic with entities below the municipal level as demonstrated by Ax. I think that we should hold off on importing them for now. Maybe in the future that data will be improved. In the meantime, there are tons of things we can do to improve the existing data. Keep right and OpenStreetBugs provide tons of data problems alone, and there are some residual sawtooth coastlines remaining. I know data maintenance and improvement is not as fun as importing virgin data but my personal opinion is that we should try fixing the existing data first before adding more data that themselves needs fixing too. What do others think? On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Anthony G. Balico <anthony.bal...@gmail.com > wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Axk and I had a bit of a discussion on GNS. Your thoughts please? > > I find the thread below so cluttered, im sure you'll also find it the > same way. Sorry about that. > > I just thought i should include my first reply so you would know the > start. This is how it goes: > > [conversation snipped] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/attachments/20100922/a00a4b4b/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:32:57 +0800 From: "Anthony G. Balico" <anthony.bal...@gmail.com> To: Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] NGA-GNS uploads Message-ID: <1285122777.1807.7.ca...@anthonybalico-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Since you've mentioned the tendency to be contentious, hopefully this one won't go overboard :-) So that +1 to "No imports for now". -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> To: Anthony G. Balico <anthony.bal...@gmail.com> Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [Fwd: [Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Re: Re: Re: NGA-GNS uploads]] Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 00:14:06 +0800 This is a pretty tough issue. Imports are contentious in some sectors of the international OSM community. But for the Philippines where we don't have much data to import anyway, the question boils down to whether we prefer no data at all over poor data. GNS in particular seems to be problematic with entities below the municipal level as demonstrated by Ax. I think that we should hold off on importing them for now. Maybe in the future that data will be improved. In the meantime, there are tons of things we can do to improve the existing data. Keep right and OpenStreetBugs provide tons of data problems alone, and there are some residual sawtooth coastlines remaining. I know data maintenance and improvement is not as fun as importing virgin data but my personal opinion is that we should try fixing the existing data first before adding more data that themselves needs fixing too. What do others think? On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Anthony G. Balico <anthony.bal...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Guys, Axk and I had a bit of a discussion on GNS. Your thoughts please? I find the thread below so cluttered, im sure you'll also find it the same way. Sorry about that. I just thought i should include my first reply so you would know the start. This is how it goes: [conversation snipped] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/attachments/20100922/da1d398c/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:54:56 +0800 From: maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> To: "Anthony G. Balico" <anthony.bal...@gmail.com> Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] NGA-GNS uploads Message-ID: <aanlktin-o-ygo6h0y=p+7okpd6ohxd3xv8mk8=asj...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Balico <anthony.bal...@gmail.com> wrote: > So that +1 to "No imports for now". By this statement, I assume you are referring to the GNS data. In some cases, imports can be very useful. After importing several data into OSM, I am now more on the "no imports" camp too. However, I'd rather initiate meetings with the Marikina government to arrange imports of housenumbers than collecting them all by myself. -- cheers, maning ------------------------------------------------------ "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:56:20 +0800 From: tutubi <tut...@backpackingphilippines.com> To: Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com>, osm-ph <talk-ph@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Some towns of Laguna a bit far from reality? (was: can you help me with this one?) Message-ID: <aanlktikwb6dbdurdpfooip7lcfzh1v=eg1sk_u6_x...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I already made re-alignments since i'm familiar with the road network and also deleted spurious roads or added FIXMEs. I just have to re-trace when I come home next month or during the long break in December. at least I won't find myself driving "off-road" again when i'm "lost" in that part of the world might also drop by and explore Sta. Maria. I went there years ago to look for the old church only to be disappointed by a new one. (Internet's really full of misinformation). I hope to trek to the waterfalls if I can sneak from wifey who's quick to warn me not to be so adventurous hehe -- --- I explore, therefore I blog and map. http://www.backpackingphilippines.com On 9/21/10, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> wrote: > BSWM data is sometimes quite wrong. I had to delete some of those roads that > clashed horribly with the traces we collected for GMA, Cavite. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5761934 > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:44 PM, maning sambale > <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Tutubi asked to look at his traces in Laguna. Looking at his trace >> and the existing data. I am perplexed at the significant mismatch: >> >> http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.4219&lon=121.44588&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF >> >> Pakil has some issues as well. >> >> http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=17&lat=14.38564&lon=121.47735&layers=00B000TFFFFFFF >> >> I'm guessing this an artifact of the old BSWM data import. Or >> probably similar to Magallanes situation? >> >> Forwarded conversation >> Subject: can you help me with this one? >> ------------------------ >> >> From: tutubi <tut...@backpackingphilippines.com> >> Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:59 AM >> To: maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> >> >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/backpacking%20philippines/traces/823535 >> >> it's a trace i did in siniloan, laguna from sta cruz. note the >> mis-alligned roads, same ones i got from Pakil that i re-traced so >> it's ok now. >> >> there are some roads in my trace that i passed by twice...looked like >> the traces were just converted to ways thus the jagged roads >> >> thanks >> >> -- >> --- >> I explore, therefore I blog. >> >> http://www.backpackingphilippines.com >> >> ---------- >> From: maning sambale <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> >> Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM >> To: tutubi <tut...@backpackingphilippines.com> >> >> >> OK. I'll look into it later. Paki-alamanan ko na ha. :) >> -- >> cheers, >> maning >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> cheers, >> maning >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >> wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ >> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk-ph mailing list >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >> > > > > -- > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph End of talk-ph Digest, Vol 26, Issue 18 ***************************************
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