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On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com>wrote: > Actually, the international community does discuss if things are > appropriate to be added into the OSM database or not. OSM's free-form > tagging allows most things to be added. While we do welcome people joining > to contribute to OSM, not everything that *can* be added > *should* be added. > > For example, while we tag the cuisine=* of amenity=fast_food and > amenity=restaurant POIs, I don't think we need to add the whole menu, or > even if the restaurant accepts credit cards, or has gluten-free meals, or > provides a toilet for PWD. These type of information is definitely > appropriate for a restaurant directory website, and what OSM should provide > is the geographic information (coordinates, address) and some basic > information. > > Going back to the tagging convention for the DOH code, if we all agree > that the DOH code is the "primary ID" for Philippine hospitals, then that > means using the basic ref=* tag or even nat_ref=* tag should be enough. As > much as possible, we should use basic tags used by the international > community instead of inventing our own tags. > > > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> *Should* is actually not a question for us to answer. If, or when, PHIC >> or anyone for that matter, decides they want to contribute to OSM by adding >> those IDs, they are well within their rights to do so. >> >> I thought the more important question is what tagging convention the >> community is going to put forward and/or decide to adhere to. >> >> *Erwin Olario* >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> » email: erwin@ >> <er...@ngnuity.net>*n**GNU**it**y**.**net*<http://ngnuity.net/> >> | gov...@gmail.com >> » mobile: (PHL): +63 908 817 2013 | (USA): +1 347 746 9461 >> » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 >> D56B >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> For Philhealth, the question is if their reference ID is something that >>> should be added to OSM. >>> >>> The DOH codes are not actually necessary in OSM, but as the official >>> health agency of the country, we can tie OSM to DOH's database through the >>> facility code (instead of matching hospital names which is error-prone). So >>> that any other database that makes use of DOH's code can find the >>> geographical location of the hospital by looking at the DOH code in OSM. >>> (Database engineers will definitely recognize this as similar to using >>> primary keys in multiple tables.) >>> >>> From there, it should be easy to use the DOH facility code to tie to >>> other databases like Philhealth's, assuming the Philhealth-to-DOH database >>> is done. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Another stakeholder in the Philippine health system, Philhealth, uses >>>> their own reference identification for accredited [1] and un-accredited [2] >>>> health facilities in the Philippines. >>>> >>>> The French OSM mappers [3] tagging convention is like ref:PH:doh or >>>> ref:PH:phic, for DOH and PHIC/Philhealth, respectively. I think >>>> "ref:PH:*=*" is less ambiguous than "nat_ref:*=*" >>>> >>>> A bit off-topic, but it was interesting to find out that the key ref=* >>>> may be used to identify companies using their tax identification numbers >>>> [4]. >>>> >>>> [1] https://gis.philhealth.gov.ph/view_hosp1.php >>>> [2] https://gis.philhealth.gov.ph/view_nonaccre.php >>>> [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:FR:* >>>> [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:vatin >>>> >>>> *Erwin Olario* >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> » email: erwin@ >>>> <er...@ngnuity.net>*n**GNU**it**y**.**net*<http://ngnuity.net/> >>>> | gov...@gmail.com >>>> » mobile: (PHL): +63 908 817 2013 | (USA): +1 347 746 9461 >>>> » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 >>>> D56B >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:35 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar >>>> <sea...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> My understanding is that you only add another term to the key name >>>>> (ref=* --> ref:isil=*) if it is highly likely that some other ID or coding >>>>> system has a higher priority for the basic ref=* tag. >>>>> >>>>> For example, I think each World Heritage Site has an assigned >>>>> reference code by UNESCO. For example, Tubbataha Reefs Natural Park has >>>>> the >>>>> reference code 653bis[1], but we should probably not tag it as ref=653bis >>>>> because the national park may have its own coding system in the Philippine >>>>> Government. So the tag could be ref:whc=653bis as proposed[2]. >>>>> >>>>> On the other hand, we have many basic ref=* keys such as: >>>>> >>>>> - int_ref=* (international) >>>>> - nat_ref=* (national) >>>>> - reg_ref=* (regional) >>>>> - loc_ref=* (local) >>>>> - etc. >>>>> >>>>> So we could also tag Tubbataha as int_ref=653bis. >>>>> >>>>> Basically, as I understand it, adding another term to the key name is >>>>> only done as a last resort. The only advantage I can see with using >>>>> ref:doh=* is that its meaning is easier to understand. But that can be >>>>> easily addressed with proper PH tag documentation in the OSM Wiki. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I'd like to know what other people think so that we have a >>>>> rough consensus on what key to use to tag the DOH facility code on >>>>> hospitals in OSM. >>>>> >>>>> Choices: >>>>> >>>>> ref=* >>>>> nat_ref=* >>>>> ref:doh=* >>>>> >>>>> [1] http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/653 >>>>> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/heritage >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:41 PM, maning sambale < >>>>> emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar < >>>>>> sea...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > Can I suggest that we use either ref=* or nat_ref=* tag for the DOH >>>>>> facility >>>>>> > code assigned to each hospital? This tag is intended for indicating >>>>>> > reference numbers/codes/IDs as assigned by some official authority. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref >>>>>> > >>>>>> > For example, East Avenue Medical Center is assigned the code 504. >>>>>> So we >>>>>> > should add ref=504 or nat_ref=504 to the hospital POI. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure! I actually tested that yesterday >>>>>> (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/54025002). >>>>>> I have to correct my tagging and also remove the zeroes. >>>>>> >>>>>> From the wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref), the ref >>>>>> tag is used in various ways by adding namespace. Should we used >>>>>> ref:doh=504 like the isil ref >>>>>> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref:isil)? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> talk-ph mailing list >>>>> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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