Dear Erwin and Eugene,
Thanks to both of you for your respective email. I think it is important for me to first precise that I am contributing to this exchange on a personal basis. Nothing that I am reporting here is therefore the direct expression of the DOH. What I am trying to do is help strengthening the collaboration between the government and the Open Data community as I strongly believe that all parties have much to gain from it, starting with the population of the Philippines. By collaboration I mean going beyond the government integrating OSM data into their datasets to actually establish an integrated data flow that would: 1. Leverage the work force OSM have at disposal as well as the official mandate of the corresponding governmental institution when it comes to validation and the inclusion of attributes (unique ID, road type, statistics,...) 2. Reduce duplication of efforts, Among other things, this would indeed require to address data licensing and governance issues. When it comes to licensing, more than the share-alike part, the fact that OSM data can be used commercially is an important barrier to the collaboration between the DOH and OSM right now and this because of section 176 of RA 8293 on Intellectual Property (http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1997/ra_8293_1997.html) as you know. Interesting this section conflicts with the Creative Commons attribution 3.0 that the Open Data Philippines program is promoting (section F in: http://www.gov.ph/downloads/2014/01jan/Open-Data-Philippines-Action-Plan-2014-2016.pdf)... The fact that NOAH has initiated a project for locating health facilities without involving the DOH is itself a good example of governance issue that needs to be addressed by the government. I remain hopeful that the above could be addressed through the Open Data Philippines program. Do you guys actually have an entry point and discussions with OPS, DBM and/or PCDSPO on Open Data issues? Coming back to the DOH code, I can confirm that it is official, stable as per Eugene's email, and accessible to the public. It can actually already be consulted from the NHFR web site (http://uhmis2.doh.gov.ph/doh_facility/rfacilitieslist.php). This being said, and as you will see on this web site, not all the information you might expect to see is currently accessible to the public. Some more work remains therefore to achieve the "vision" of the Open Data Philippines program but I think there is right now a good opportunity to progress on this because of the...let's say environment...generated by typhoon Yolanda and the important focus that is now put on emergency management and disaster risk reduction. This is the reason behind the forum that Maning attended last week and the next workshop to take place around the end of April, forum during which we hope to discuss some of the above issues and have the possibility to further strengthen the collaboration between OSM and the government. Sorry for the long email but I think this is important and very timely. Best regards, Steeve Steeve Ebener, Ph.D. CEO Gaia GeoSystems P.O. Box 795 – P.C. 114, Muscat - Oman cell: +968 952 57 526 email: <mailto:steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org> steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org web: <http://www.gaia-geosystems.org/> www.gaia-geosystems.org Twitter: @GaiaGeosystems LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener> http://www.linkedin.com/in/steeveebener logo_emails_72One Planet, One System P Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Thank you From: Erwin Olario [mailto:gov...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:54 AM To: Eugene Alvin Villar Cc: Steeve Ebener; OpenStreetMap Philippines Subject: Re: talk-ph Digest, Vol 67, Issue 19 Dear Steve, Thank you for the very helpful information. It's great to hear someone from DOH about this. Perhaps NOAH doesn't actually intend to duplicate the efforts of DOH. This might be a good time for both agencies to work together, since both appear to be working towards the same goal. So, where can the public find and use the DOH information regarding these health facilities (NHFR codes, geographic location, other relevant information)? Importing these information in bulk is possible in OSM, provided any licensing issue (as mentioned by Eugene) are ironed out. It's stuff like this that we (the public) should be able to get from data.gov.ph. Erwin Olario - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - » email: erwin@ <mailto:er...@ngnuity.net> <http://ngnuity.net/> nGNUity.net | gov...@gmail.com » mobile: (PHL): +63 908 817 2013 | (USA): +1 347 746 9461 » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 D56B On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Steeve, Thank you very much for the additional information. This is very helpful. I was actually thinking of asking you for more information about the DOH code because I want to confirm if this facility code is intended to be the official ID of each health facility, that it is stable (it doesn't change even if a health facility is renamed or maybe relocated?), and it is meant to be used by the public (it isn't just an internal ID for DOH's purposes). Based on your information, I think there is indeed great value in tagging the health facilities in OSM with the NHFR facility code since you have stated it is meant to be the official standard. Now the only thing needed to discuss is what tag to use inside OSM. (I personally vote for ref=* since the NHFR code is confirmed to be the standard.) As for your second point, I think the licensing issue is still not yet resolved so there is no sharing of effort yet to locate all health facilities. (Nota bene, We are actually having a similar licensing discussion with the Department of Education regarding the list of schools they have provided us). We want to really make sure that there is no problem with copyrights and licensing because OSM is a free/open project. As shown by the free and open source software movement, it all works because there is stable base of free/open licensing regime that serves as the basis. OSM wants to be similarly successful by being careful with data licensing. Regards, Eugene On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Steeve Ebener <steeve.ebe...@gaia-geosystems.org> wrote: Dear Erwin and Eugene, Few things I think important to clarify here as I am at the origin of the request to add the DOH code into OSM and also directly working on the National Health Facility Registry (NHFR) with the DOH. The reason for the initial request is two folds: 1. Improve the value of OSM dataset when it comes to health facilities as, for the moment, it is very difficult to link the OSM data to any other health facility level related data either because the name of the facility is not reported or the spelling is different from the official one; 2. Demonstrate the added value for the DOH to start working with OSM to complete their current gap in terms of health facility location. Starting with the second point, by not involving the DOH in the project NOAH is unfortunately generating some duplication of efforts as you might be locating again health facilities for which the DOH already have a precise location, through the hospital licensing process for example, instead of concentrating efforts your efforts on the remaining gaps. When it comes to the first point, it is important to know that the NHFR is the standard, or list of references, when it comes to health facilities in the country. This is for example why it is being used for the joint DOST-DOH eHealth program. In addition to that: - the NHFR is more comprehensive than PhilHealth dataset because it also covers Barangay Health Stations; - Not only PhilHealth accreditation number but also DOH SPEED codes and licensing numbers are in the process of being included into the NHFR. By using the DOH code you are directly having access to the other ones. I hope the above will encourage the OSM community to include the DOH code in its database as data is being collected. Actually, and if possible, I would encourage you to also follow the spelling reported in the NHFR when it comes to the health facility name as this is the official one. Best regards, Steeve
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