On behalf of the local OSM community, thank you for joining the meeting today. We appreciate your team's candidness, and for sharing the information that is helpful towards resolving the community's concerns.
To summarize today's meeting, you acknowledge the loopholes in your current quality assurance processes that have led to the copyright infringement activities by mappers associated with Para. That you're willing to co-operating to resolve this as soon as possible, and to do that we are asking you for the usernames of your mappers (including those third-parties, or franchisees) so that the DWG can remove them completely from OSM to avoid any legal issues related to use of copyrighted materials. Please double-check the list of usernames you are submitting, including those listed in the PaperCut-Fix ticket #83 <https://github.com/OSMPH/papercut_fix/issues/83> so that we can quickly resolve this issue. For reference, the recording of today's meeting is temporarily available here <https://youtu.be/7FX9hsJe21I>, and will be removed as soon as the ticket is resolved. Moving forward, you also agree to review your quality assurance processes, comply with the OSM Organized Editing Guidelines <https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines>, and disclose in the wiki all the usernames of your mappers, whether internal or third-party. The OSM-PH community is keen for Para Apps to continue contributing to OpenStreetMap. There are some members of the OSM community who suggested that we organize a special training session for your mappers, to help you address the issues we've identified, and help you contribute better to OSM in the future. If this is something you find interesting, please let us know. Best regards, Erwin Olario - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - » email: erwin@ <er...@ngnuity.net>*n**gnu**it**y**.xyz* <http://ngnuity.xyz/> » mobile: https://t.me/GOwin » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 D56B On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:48 AM Jovan Ortega <jovanort...@paraappsinc.com> wrote: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Jan%20Rei%20Gallardo > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JPBaje > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kei%20Garavillas > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Dhadz > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Dhadz > > On 6 Jul 2021, at 12:11 PM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Excellent! > > We look forward to meeting you, and your team tomorrow morning, 10:30H at > this meeting URL: https://8x8.vc/mapatime/wemap.vmm > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > » email: erwin@ <er...@ngnuity.net>*n**gnu**it**y**.xyz* > <http://ngnuity.xyz/> > » mobile: https://t.me/GOwin > » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 > D56B > > > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jovan Ortega <jovanort...@paraappsinc.com> > wrote: > >> Ok >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 6, 2021, at 10:54 AM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Jovan. Thank you for acceding to our invitation for a meeting. We have >> also invited other members of the OSM community in the Philippines, and >> Nigeria. >> >> The e-meeting is planned for tomorrow, 10:30H (UTC +8) and will be >> accessible through this meeting room URL: >> https://8x8.vc/mapatime/wemap.vmm. The platform is free, and there is no >> need to register for an account. >> >> The objective of the meeting is to discuss the concerns related to edits >> made by mappers affiliated with your company, clarify OSM rules and >> guidelines, and provide you and your team the opportunity to elaborate on >> your workflow and processes. This will also be a great opportunity for a >> dialogue with community stakeholders. >> >> Ideally, this meeting should include other members of your mapping team >> (like "Jan Rei Gallardo"). We may ask you to substantiate your claims, or >> demonstrate specifics of your workflow, so this is best done from a >> computer, with a webcam,or where your team can share their screen if >> necessary. >> >> Let me know if you have any questions, and we look forward to meeting you >> and your team tomorrow. >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> » email: erwin@ <er...@ngnuity.net>*n**gnu**it**y**.xyz* >> <http://ngnuity.xyz/> >> » mobile: https://t.me/GOwin >> » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 >> D56B >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 5:27 PM Jovan Ortega <jovanort...@paraappsinc.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Just send a zoom link here >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 5, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Jovan Ortega <jovanort...@paraappsinc.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ok I’m available now >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 5, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi there. >>> >>> We already received the same, verbatim reply from the user "Jan Rei >>> Gallardo". Since you're replying with the same text, we will assume that >>> you provided that answer to them. >>> >>> Unfortunately, the community didn't find it satisfactory, hence we are >>> inviting you, and your mapping team for a meeting, for an opportunity to >>> elaborate on your process further. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> » email: erwin@ <er...@ngnuity.net>*n**gnu**it**y**.xyz* >>> <http://ngnuity.xyz/> >>> » mobile: https://t.me/GOwin >>> » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 >>> D56B >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 5:06 PM Jovan Ortega <jovanort...@paraappsinc.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We hire third-parties who are from the area being mapped to tag the >>>> location of establishments, landmarks, and other government offices. >>>> They will send to us the coordinates and the names of the places, and >>>> will be encoded accordingly by a third-party. >>>> >>>> The chances of having the same establishments, landmarks, and >>>> government offices on the same location as Google is for the basic reason >>>> that we are mapping the same areas on planet Earth. Unless, Google mapped >>>> an alternate universe that would result in different mapping of the same >>>> locality. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 5, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Erwin Olario <gov...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To whom it may concern: >>>> >>>> My name is Erwin Olario, and I am writing on-behalf of the local >>>> OpenStreetMap (OSM) community in the Philippines regarding concerns about >>>> edits made in OSM by mappers affiliated with your organization. >>>> >>>> Last Friday, I invited the OSM user, "Jan Rei Gallardo" [0] for a >>>> meeting with the local community to help answer these concerns but received >>>> no response re the meeting, so I sent another today, which I'm copying >>>> below for your convenience: >>>> >>>>> *Re: Invitation for a meeting of Para Apps, Inc. >>>>> mappers/representatives with the local OSM community* >>>>> Hello again. I hope you had a restful weekend. >>>>> >>>>> I’m not sure if you over-looked the meeting invitation last Friday, >>>>> but I am reiterating our offer for you, your supervisors, and the rest of >>>>> your mapping team for a meeting with mappers from the local OpenStreetMap >>>>> community. I believe that it’s not hard to find a convenient schedule that >>>>> can work for everyone who wish to participate. >>>>> >>>>> We are excited to hear from parties like you, who utilize >>>>> OpenStreetMap for their business. Your last reply regarding >>>>> “third-parties”, with a “We’re sorry” subject, only entertained more >>>>> questions from fellow mappers. I hope that you will earnestly consider >>>>> this >>>>> offer for a meeting, to help answer the community’s questions regarding >>>>> your methods and processes. Perhaps, elaborate further on how you ensure >>>>> the quality of the data you acquire from these third-parties, too? >>>>> >>>>> With your co-operation, the probe can proceed much faster. The >>>>> consequence of not taking part in this process would mean that the >>>>> community will solely rely on their own findings to determine whether the >>>>> concerns are reasonable. The worst case scenario here, if the allegations >>>>> are proven correct, is that all your edits, along with other accounts >>>>> identified so far, will be purged completely from the OpenStreetMap >>>>> database. That will be unfortunate. >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I sincerely hope that we are proven wrong, that your OSM >>>>> edits are above board, and this is a simple case of misunderstanding. A >>>>> meeting can help dispel all these. >>>>> >>>>> Our initial message, with the meeting invitation was sent to you on >>>>> 2nd July, and you responded promptly. We hope to hear from you again >>>>> before >>>>> 15:00H of Wednesday, 14th July, otherwise the community will proceed with >>>>> the probe, and share our findings with the Data Working Group, the local >>>>> OSM community, and the OSM community in Nigeria. >>>>> >>>>> Have a good day. >>>>> >>>> I received your email address from the same user, and they referred to >>>> you as their CEO. >>>> >>>> This is not the first time we tried to reach out to your company, but >>>> back in March we have been communicating with your officers regarding the >>>> same concern. >>>> >>>> We are looking forward to hearing back from you soon. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Erwin Olario >>>> >>>> CC'd: OpenStreetMap Philippines >>>> >>>> [0]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Jan%20Rei%20Gallardo >>>> >>>> >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> » email: erwin@ <er...@ngnuity.net>*n**gnu**it**y**.xyz* >>>> <http://ngnuity.xyz/> >>>> » mobile: https://t.me/GOwin >>>> » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 >>>> D56B >>>> >>>> >
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