Örjan Svane who is the person contacting us and demanding a map update is a member of the Swedish FKK. I guess the following the path you will find yourself surrounded by naked people. https://www.scandinavianaturist.org/sv/node/367
Best rgds //P > 13 juni 2024 kl. 13:00 skrev talk-se-requ...@openstreetmap.org: > > Send Talk-se mailing list submissions to > talk-se@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-se-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-se-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-se digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Edit path on private property (riiga) > 2. Re: Edit path on private property (Christian Asker) > 3. Re: Edit path on private property (Gustav Lindqvist) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:02:05 +0200 > From: riiga <ri...@lysator.liu.se> > To: OpenStreetMap Sverige mailinglista <talk-se@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property > Message-ID: <8593c7979207881b6d9bcb83b4f17...@lysator.liu.se> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hej! > > Det finns ingen som centralt ?r ansvarig f?r kartan, och du kan inte > kravst?lla att n?gon ska ta bort saker eller dylikt. Kartan ?r fri att > redigera f?r alla, som om du har hittat fel s? kan du sj?lv skapa en > anv?ndare och r?tta till det. Att stigen finns med p? kartan ?r helt i > sin ordning, det finns inget som ?r f?rbjudet att kartl?gga i > OpenStreetMap och m?let ?r att ?terspegla vad som finns i verkligheten, > mantrat ?r "map what's on the ground". Om det d?remot ?r s? att stigen > g?r ?ver tydligt avgr?nsad privat mark i direkt anslutning till n?gons > hem s? ?r det ol?mpligt att anv?nda den stigen i enlighet med > allemansr?tten. I s? fall borde du (eller n?gon annan med god > lokalk?nnedom) l?gga till ?tkomstbegr?nsningar (access=private) p? > stigen s? att det ?r angivet att det ?r en privat stig vilket > f?rhoppningsvis kommer att leda till att Komoot och andra som anv?nder > OpenStreetMaps data ser till att inte visa det som en l?mplig v?g f?r > fotg?ngare. > > /riiga > > 2024-06-12 09:56 skrev ?rjan Svane via Talk-se: >> Dea open street map editors, >> your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, >> which you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a path >> near lake ?tervallstr?sk on Ingar?, east of Stocckholm. The path >> indicated in the copy of the open street map below crosses private >> property, a "cottage village? owned by the Svenska Friluftsf?reningen >> Association (SFF). It can be seen on your map that the path passes very >> close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly violates even Sweden`s >> extensive "Everybody?s right of way?, allemansr?tten, which allows >> people to walk on private property except close to private houses etc. >> From your map, the same path has been included on other similar maps. >> Last summer the Association e.g. had a number of visitors claiming >> their right to use the path, referring to the ?komoot? map >> (www.komoot.com). When contacted, komoot gave your map as their source. >> They also indicated that your map is the source also for others besides >> the komoot. Therefore we sincerely ask you to take away this path on >> your map to avoid similar conflicts in the future. You should also in >> an appropriate manner inform users of you map of the error. >> >> Yours >> >> ?rjan Svane >> Member and former Land Manager, SFF >> +46-40-406 5326 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-se mailing list >> Talk-se@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:25:49 +0200 > From: Christian Asker <christian.as...@gmail.com> > To: talk-se@openstreetmap.org, sv...@kth.se > Subject: Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property > Message-ID: <eb5cc3b2-c838-4237-bfca-3233da4c2...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hej. En sak till ang?ende detta. Att mark ?r privat?gd betyder ju, som > du skriver,? inte i sig att allemansr?tten inte g?ller, utan det ?r > tomtmark som man inte ska klampa in p?. Vad jag kan se ?r omr?det ifr?ga > stugor i ett skogsomr?de, s? det ?r kanske inte helt sj?lvklart att det > ?r l?tt att se att det ?r tomtmark? Sen vill man ju inte st?ra folk > f?rst?s, men det kanske inte ?r l?tt att avg?ra ens n?r man ?r i > utkanten av det n?mnda omr?det? > > Det kan ju dyka upp vandrare som inte anv?nder dylika kartor med. Kanske > en v?nligt formulerad skylt kan l?sa saken (f?rutom att l?gga till > access=private i Openstreetmap)? > > > Mvh Christian > > > Den 2024-06-13 kl. 10:02, skrev riiga: >> Hej! >> >> Det finns ingen som centralt ?r ansvarig f?r kartan, och du kan inte >> kravst?lla att n?gon ska ta bort saker eller dylikt. Kartan ?r fri att >> redigera f?r alla, som om du har hittat fel s? kan du sj?lv skapa en >> anv?ndare och r?tta till det. Att stigen finns med p? kartan ?r helt i >> sin ordning, det finns inget som ?r f?rbjudet att kartl?gga i >> OpenStreetMap och m?let ?r att ?terspegla vad som finns i >> verkligheten, mantrat ?r "map what's on the ground". Om det d?remot ?r >> s? att stigen g?r ?ver tydligt avgr?nsad privat mark i direkt >> anslutning till n?gons hem s? ?r det ol?mpligt att anv?nda den stigen >> i enlighet med allemansr?tten. I s? fall borde du (eller n?gon annan >> med god lokalk?nnedom) l?gga till ?tkomstbegr?nsningar >> (access=private) p? stigen s? att det ?r angivet att det ?r en privat >> stig vilket f?rhoppningsvis kommer att leda till att Komoot och andra >> som anv?nder OpenStreetMaps data ser till att inte visa det som en >> l?mplig v?g f?r fotg?ngare. >> >> /riiga >> >> 2024-06-12 09:56 skrev ?rjan Svane via Talk-se: >>> Dea open street map editors, >>> your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, >>> which you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a >>> path near lake ?tervallstr?sk on Ingar?, east of Stocckholm. The path >>> indicated in the copy of the open street map below crosses private >>> property, a "cottage village? owned by the? Svenska >>> Friluftsf?reningen Association (SFF). It can be seen on your map that >>> the path passes very close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly >>> violates even Sweden`s extensive "Everybody?s right of way?, >>> allemansr?tten, which allows people to walk on private property >>> except close to private houses? etc. From your map, the same path has >>> been included on other similar maps. Last? summer the Association >>> e.g. had a number of visitors claiming their right to use the path, >>> referring to the ?komoot? map (www.komoot.com). When contacted, >>> komoot gave your map as their source. They also indicated that your >>> map is the source also for others besides the komoot. Therefore we >>> sincerely ask you to take away this path on your map to avoid similar >>> conflicts in the future. You should also in an appropriate manner >>> inform users of you map of the error. >>> >>> Yours >>> >>> ?rjan Svane >>> Member and former Land Manager, SFF >>> +46-40-406 5326 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-se mailing list >>> Talk-se@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-se mailing list >> Talk-se@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:55:53 +0200 > From: Gustav Lindqvist <h...@gustavlindqvist.se> > To: ?rjan Svane <sv...@kth.se>, OpenStreetMap Sverige > <talk-se@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property > Message-ID: <498c76ef89cd41cb12d83f8d2a6ac7ec11e43...@hey.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Som andra har sagt s? betyder inte det per automatik att privat mark > upph?ver allemansr?tten. > > Sen p?st?endet att det ?r en "members only beach" l?ter lite m?rkligt, > ?ven om det finns de som vill upph?va strandskyddet s? har det mig > veterligen inte skett ?nnu. > > Om det ?r tydligt ?r s? p? platsen s? l?ter den enklaste l?sningen att > s?tta p? en access= p? stigen. > > Mvh Gustav > > On June 13, 2024, Christian Asker <christian.as...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hej. En sak till ang?ende detta. Att mark ?r privat?gd betyder ju, >> som? >> du skriver,? inte i sig att allemansr?tten inte g?ller, utan det ?r? >> tomtmark som man inte ska klampa in p?. Vad jag kan se ?r omr?det >> ifr?ga? >> stugor i ett skogsomr?de, s? det ?r kanske inte helt sj?lvklart att >> det? >> ?r l?tt att se att det ?r tomtmark? Sen vill man ju inte st?ra folk? >> f?rst?s, men det kanske inte ?r l?tt att avg?ra ens n?r man ?r i? >> utkanten av det n?mnda omr?det? >> >> Det kan ju dyka upp vandrare som inte anv?nder dylika kartor med. >> Kanske? >> en v?nligt formulerad skylt kan l?sa saken (f?rutom att l?gga till? >> access=private i Openstreetmap)? >> >> >> Mvh Christian >> >> >> Den 2024-06-13 kl. 10:02, skrev riiga: >>> Hej! >>> >>> Det finns ingen som centralt ?r ansvarig f?r kartan, och du kan >> inte? >>> kravst?lla att n?gon ska ta bort saker eller dylikt. Kartan ?r fri >> att? >>> redigera f?r alla, som om du har hittat fel s? kan du sj?lv skapa >> en? >>> anv?ndare och r?tta till det. Att stigen finns med p? kartan ?r helt >> i? >>> sin ordning, det finns inget som ?r f?rbjudet att kartl?gga i? >>> OpenStreetMap och m?let ?r att ?terspegla vad som finns i? >>> verkligheten, mantrat ?r "map what's on the ground". Om det d?remot >> ?r? >>> s? att stigen g?r ?ver tydligt avgr?nsad privat mark i direkt? >>> anslutning till n?gons hem s? ?r det ol?mpligt att anv?nda den >> stigen? >>> i enlighet med allemansr?tten. I s? fall borde du (eller n?gon >> annan? >>> med god lokalk?nnedom) l?gga till ?tkomstbegr?nsningar? >>> (access=private) p? stigen s? att det ?r angivet att det ?r en >> privat? >>> stig vilket f?rhoppningsvis kommer att leda till att Komoot och >> andra? >>> som anv?nder OpenStreetMaps data ser till att inte visa det som en? >>> l?mplig v?g f?r fotg?ngare. >>> >>> /riiga >>> >>> 2024-06-12 09:56 skrev ?rjan Svane via Talk-se: >>>> Dea open street map editors, >>>> your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden,? >>>> which you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a? >>>> path near lake ?tervallstr?sk on Ingar?, east of Stocckholm. The >> path? >>>> indicated in the copy of the open street map below crosses private? >>>> property, a "cottage village? owned by the? Svenska? >>>> Friluftsf?reningen Association (SFF). It can be seen on your map >> that? >>>> the path passes very close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly? >>>> violates even Sweden`s extensive "Everybody?s right of way?,? >>>> allemansr?tten, which allows people to walk on private property? >>>> except close to private houses? etc. From your map, the same path >> has? >>>> been included on other similar maps. Last? summer the Association? >>>> e.g. had a number of visitors claiming their right to use the >> path,? >>>> referring to the ?komoot? map (www.komoot.com). When contacted,? >>>> komoot gave your map as their source. They also indicated that >> your? >>>> map is the source also for others besides the komoot. Therefore we? >>>> sincerely ask you to take away this path on your map to avoid >> similar? >>>> conflicts in the future. You should also in an appropriate manner? >>>> inform users of you map of the error. >>>> >>>> Yours >>>> >>>> ?rjan Svane >>>> Member and former Land Manager, SFF >>>> +46-40-406 5326 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-se mailing list >>>> Talk-se@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-se mailing list >>> Talk-se@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-se mailing list >> Talk-se@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-se/attachments/20240613/7d5b46b2/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-se mailing list > Talk-se@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5 > *************************************** _______________________________________________ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
