Should I just include it even though there is no canonical link (because any user's link with differ depending on their key [one such URL is listed at the bottom])? I found one listed here <https://www.transit.land/feeds/f-dpeg-capitalareatransportationauthority> but that seems to be one that someone got a licensed key for and shared (which I'm not sure is even allowed under the license <https://www.cata.org/Portals/0/CATAGTFSLicenseAgreement20150323.pdf> (3), along with (an)other apparent violation(s) of the license by not including "CATA information provided on this site is subject to change..." in close proximity to the data links (6)), so I don't necessarily think it would be appropriate to use it for OSM. After all, the other entries on List of GTFS feeds <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_GTFS_feeds> all seem to either have a freely available license and link or otherwise have specific permission from the transit agency to include it.
I could just add GTFS tags without adding an entry to the list of GTFS feeds on the wiki, but I'm not sure if that's kosher. I also can't really tell how I'm supposed to use OpenTripPlanner. Aenet Example URL: http://developers.cata.org/gtfsdownload.ashx?key=5b4690ed-0a69-4320-897b-7d92def4b96f&data=base On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 3:50 PM Shaun McDonald <[email protected]> wrote: > I would directly include the GTFS data in OpenStreetMap. Best to use it as > a combined dataset in a journey planner such as OpenTripPlanner. > > Shaun > > > On 9 December 2024 20:38:51 GMT, Aenet Anthony <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks Shaun. >> >> I just checked and CATA (Lansing, MI) does have a GTFS feed. It’s >> available < >> https://www.cata.org/About-Contact/Doing-Business-with-CATA/Developer-Resources> >> with a not fully open license < >> https://www.cata.org/Portals/0/CATAGTFSLicenseAgreement20150323.pdf> >> that allows credentials to access the GTFS feed. I’m not sure whether that >> would be appropriate to use for OSM. I’m wondering what advice would be for >> use of that. I’ll request a license and ask CATA what their opinion is. >> >> >> Aenet >> >> p.s. Sorry about the ugly links, I couldn’t get them to work properly on >> mobile. >> >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 2:45 PM Shaun McDonald <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I'd use GTFS to define the schedule as that is far better suited to >>> this, especially considering that the timetable can frequently change. >>> >>> Having just the shape in OpenStreetMap is probably good enough. >>> >>> >>> Shaun >>> >>> >>> On 9 December 2024 18:20:33 GMT, Aenet Anthony <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I started using OSM fairly recently and one thing I've been working on >>>> in my city is improving the route relations for public transit (bus only in >>>> my city). This has included cleaning the ways included in the routes (such >>>> as including the entirety of roundabouts instead of just the portion used, >>>> having many gaps, roads out of order, or roads included multiple times when >>>> they should not be) as well as creating new relations when both outbound >>>> and inbound are mapped together or for route variants. >>>> >>>> Now on the topic of route variants, I'm wondering what that best >>>> practice is for marking opening_hours (as mentioned on the Buses wiki >>>> page >>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Step_2_-_Create_the_new_bus_relations>), >>>> particularly when multiple buses may be at different points within the >>>> route when the opening_hours status changes from one to the other. *Should >>>> the time be based on when the first and last bus on the variant leave from >>>> the starting point or when there is the first difference between the two >>>> routes *(like the first time that the bus stops at one bus stop >>>> instead of another)? I tried to do some searching on the wiki, the old and >>>> new help forums, and the web in general, as well as looking at the guides >>>> on the wiki pages for public transit, the route relation page, and the >>>> buses page, but I was not able to find any specific advice on how I should >>>> map the hours (and I wasn't able to find a specific switch time from my >>>> transit agency either). >>>> >>>> For reference, the bus route I am referring to initially departs the >>>> starting stop at 05:25, arriving at the first different stop at 05:53. Each >>>> bus on this route continues to depart for the variant until the last one >>>> (in the morning) on the variant leaves at 07:55 and arrives at the first >>>> different stop at 08:23, ultimately reaching the final destination stop at >>>> 08:37. However, before that bus has arrived at the stop, the next bus on >>>> the route switches to the non-variant form of the route and departs at >>>> 08:10, reaching the first different stop at 08:42. It then continues on >>>> this route until the last bus (in the afternoon) on the main route departs >>>> at 15:34. The variant bus then departs at 15:46, running until the final >>>> variant bus (of the entire day) departs at 16:58, reaching its destination >>>> at 17:40. The main route bus departs again at 17:10 and continues until the >>>> last one on this route departs at 23:00 and finally reaches its destination >>>> at 23:35. For anyone wishing to look at this route themselves here is >>>> the master relation <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4271833> >>>> and here is my transit agency's schedule >>>> <https://www.cata.org/schedules/01/1>. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Aenet >>>> >>>
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