On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:53 AM, SteveC wrote: > If we're throwing the 1st amendment out the door, can the moderators at least > post to the list when you decide something is not allowable on your > arbitrary(?) scale of bad speech, and why? Then we all have transparency.
/me waits to see if I get moderated for 'disagreeing with Serge' :-) :-) :-) > > Yours &c. > > Steve > > > On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Dave Hansen <d...@sr71.net> wrote: >>> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:57 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: >>>> Serge Wroclawski wrote: >>>>> Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out >>>>> of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post >>>>> and all people will be moderated. Over time, we'll probably get go of >>>>> the reins a bit >>>> >>>> Ok. I would like to be part of a professional OSM mailing list but not >>>> one that is moderated. I guess I'll just ask for a second, unmoderated >>>> list to be created ;-) >>> >>> If things ever got severely out of control on talk-us, I think I'd be OK >>> with switching the moderation bit on. >> >> Several people specifically asked me for a fully moderated list. >> >> Full moderation is all messages, all the time. >> >> I don't think that's either feasible or necessary. People can >> generally behave like adults. >> >> At the same time, knowing this request and the reason for it, I >> understood their concerns and wanted to let them know that this list, >> unlike t...@openstreetmaup, would be monitored for behavior And if >> something happens, there's the understanding that the list is >> moderated and so no one feels bad if all messages are moderated while >> things get sorted out. >> >> The alternatives appeal to me far less: >> >> 1) We don't say anything. We say "This is a new list" and then there >> are arbitrary decisions about moderation, or kicking people off. I >> don't think this is a friendly way to run a community. >> >> 2) We fully moderate the list, all the time. That's no good.. It just >> makes communication stilted. Even though it's what I was asked for, >> it's too burdensome. >> >> 3) We don't do any moderation. Well, we have a list like this already >> and it's been a problem for us, keeping us from making meaningful >> connections with other communities. Governments and child-friendly >> non-profits want some assurance that a list will be "safe", so this is >> what I'm trying to do. >> >> Nothing I do is going to satisfy everyone's requirements, but this >> list isn't about the existing OSM community as much as a new group of >> folks who want to be gently introduced to the project. Working with >> these people is valuable and the they've told me they need a safe >> forum. The list already brought in a large number of people and we're >> going to bring in various individuals and groups now, so as far as I'm >> concerned, it's been good... and nothing is going to be perfect at >> first either... so there's plenty of opportunity to learn. >> >> - Serge >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > Yours &c. Steve _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
