Hi Brad & list, Well, you mentioned working groups. Have you considered standing up a US-based Tagging working group? Perhaps the WG could take on highway tagging as a first project. Here's where to go to get started: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States#US_Chapter_Activities Best regards, SEJ ---- "Wretches, utter wretches, keep your hands from beans." -Empedocles
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:00, Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhau...@gmail.com>wrote: > OK, a metaphorical gauntlet has been thrown down, and Richard makes great > points. That said, is there any chance the US community can find some > agreement about highway tagging? And once we do, we can broker the > Israel-Palestine peace talks. :) > > But seriously, it seems like we need some sort of structured process for a > group to look at the options, find compromises, make a decision, and then > have a uniform scheme for US roads across the wiki (and hopefully the data > will follow...). What has happened up to now with wiki proposals on > different pages and email discussions hasn't resolved the issue for whatever > reason. Maybe the OSMF-US (or a working group, or some organizationally > smart person on this list) could come up with a process and timeline as a > way to focus the conversation and move to a resolution? > > My $.02, Brad > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Richard Fairhurst <rich...@systemed.net> > Date: Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap > To: Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com> > Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org > > > Kate Chapman wrote: > >> Point 1: I'm not denying that the data in the U.S. is messed up. On >> the other hand I can't count the number of times people say things >> that I summarize to 'God, why are you Americans too stupid, lazy or >> import crazy to map your own country?" It really makes people want to >> continue mapping with the project. >> > > Understood absolutely. > > But put that out of your mind. No matter how I or anyone else phrase it, no > matter whether it's accompanied by a helpful smile or a superior sneer, you > do genuinely need to sort this shit out anyway. You do need to make sure > that your data is as consistently attributed as Google's (or OSM's UK data), > because otherwise people, like Mr 41latitude, will compare the two to your > detriment. > > And you need to do that for yourselves. With the awareness of being part of > an international project, sure, but it needs to come from US mappers. I > mean, I personally dislike the overuse of relations to model absolutely > everything, but you should take no bloody notice of me whatsoever and use > route relations for your roads if you think it works well and will be > reasonably in keeping with the rest of OSM. > > So if, say, you think you need eight levels of importance within your > highway network, yet OSM only has seven (motorway, trunk, primary, > secondary, tertiary, unclassified, residential), screw it. Invent another > one. Quaternary or minor or something. The Germans have done that > (motorroad=yes) and no-one has died as a result. > > > > > Yes it appears when people compare OSM to Google/Bing/etc they seem to > > start in the U.S. > > Funnily enough only US people do that. :) Personally I'm more used to UK > cyclists comparing OSM and Google. Google has no cycle paths or routes. The > cyclists love OSM! > > I think, actually, you have an advantage in that the US community is quite > small: it's easier to get agreement. Whereas over here, where the community > is big and fractious, it takes forever to get anything done. You're still > young. Use the advantage while you can. > > cheers > Richard > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > t...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > >
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