On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com> wrote: > AJ, > > I'm not disposing of IRC, frankly I use it myself. I'm just saying > that there are downsides/upsides to both phone calls/email/IRC/IM/etc. > My real point is that new people probably don't want to argue about > tags in the first place. Many people come to mapping parties and say > "what do you want me to map?" Or I've also heard 'I don't care to map > anything in-particular, but I want to help out." If people really > want to discuss tagging badly enough they will figure out whatever the > form of communication is and deal with it. Key is coming out of that > communication is a guide that others can use. > > -Kate
I was playing devil's advocate to an extent. :-) Personally, I am of the opinion that if you want to talk about tagging bad enough, you will use whatever medium it takes to get the job done. I know I will. I welcome all calls/IRC chats, and will try to participate in whatever is set up, since I am one of the more novice people that desperately needs to better understand the tags. > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Al Haraka <alhar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kate Chapman <k...@maploser.com> wrote: >>> There are some people where IRC is a higher barrier to entry than a >>> phone call. All that aside though I think key is just to have some >>> level of consensus and then have the information available in a clear >>> place. >>> >>> New people don't care about arguing about tags, they just want to know >>> how to map. By making that easier and having standards documented in >>> a clear way they will. >>> >>> -Kate >> >> Kate, I understand where you are going with this, but I think the wiki >> is pretty clear on how low the barrier to entry can be if there is a >> web-based IRC-client. >> >> http://irc.openstreetmap.org/ >> >> I personally dislike the idea of disposing of one avenue of >> communication because of "barrier to entry." I would say in this case >> it means the people in the channel or on the call care enough to put >> in an effort. Either way, it costs time or money, regardless of the >> choice. I personally prefer IRC only for the reason that it is easy >> to document everything that is said and done with minimal effort. >> Someone has to take notes on a phone call, and sometimes those notes >> can be inadequate or inaccurate. That is my only reservation. Of >> course, IRC has its own downsides. >> >> Whatever is decided, I welcome the idea of organizing. I too am very >> concerned about knowing how to map, and I see this as a positive >> development. Thanks to everyone for getting motivated about this. >> >>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Nathan Edgars II <nerou...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Ian Dees <ian.d...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Surely we're missing plenty of people by only having a discussion on the >>>>> mailing list? SoTM.US proved to me that there are orders of magnitude more >>>>> people interested in OSM in the US than are signed up for talk-us. >>>>> The difference is that the people who care enough to talk about it and >>>>> form >>>>> a consensus between those on talk-us and maybe even a phone call or two >>>>> are >>>>> the ones that will actually make the changes to the wiki and renderers. >>>>> It's >>>>> not that there's "one consensus" it's whoever gets a consensus faster and >>>>> (most importantly) implements it. >>>> >>>> You're getting a consensus of those who can get past the higher >>>> barrier to entry. It's relatively easy to join a mailing list. It's >>>> also relatively easy to use IRC, though you have to be free at the >>>> proper time. It's a bit harder to participate in a phone conversation >>>> - again you can't have anything else scheduled then, and you need >>>> either a microphone or a willingness to pay for a long-distance call, >>>> plus the ability to understand various accents (or half the meeting >>>> will be "can you please repeat that? can you speak more clearly?"). >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-us mailing list >>>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-us mailing list >>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >> _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
