Very well put Mike.


On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:24 PM, "Mike N." <nice...@att.net> wrote:

>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Mike N. <nice...@att.net> wrote:
>>> Keep in mind that there are already people using US OSM data in real
>>> applications.
>> 
>> Where?
> 
> Cloudmade developers, who sell smartphone apps that use Cloudmade tiles and 
> routing data, and can provide turn by turn directions.  For example, the 
> iPhone paid 'offmaps' app, which offers US coverage.
> 
> There's Skobbler, whose 'Skobbler US' navigation app for the iPhone is the #1 
> free US nav app, and the #18 free app overall for the iPhone in the US. I 
> believe they process their own planet data, and probably don't follow the US 
> OSM talk list.    I use it and am mostly surprised when it works well in 
> areas that I've never touched.
> 
> And MapQuest is looking at US data and processing it (even though you could 
> argue that no one uses it yet) - it would be a courtesy to their devs to get 
> a notice from the community that something will change rather than their 
> renderer just start churning out blank maps because the data no longer makes 
> sense.
> 
>>> By all means, let's move forward, but not burn consumers by
>>> removing ref* or name* tags to force them to change.   Otherwise we will
>>> just be laboring like monks to produce a mountain of pure XML that no one
>>> cares about because it's to difficult to catch a moving specification that
>>> has no concern for compatibility.
>> 
>> For now, if people don't want the spec to change, they shouldn't
>> download new planet files.  If that becomes a big enough problem (one
>> of the reasons I'd like to know who it is that's using the data), then
>> the solution is to offer stable branches, not to stop the development
>> of anything that might break backward compatibility.
> 
>  Many changes can be implemented with an announce and transition period. 
> Telling Skobbler to stop downloading the planet because they want a spec they 
> can follow (and work with the Apple app store 3 month release cycle) is not 
> realistic.    We no longer are working with a clean sheet of paper.   We can 
> move forward, but just need to consider those using the data.
> 
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