Re the ferry waiting areas, I've been tagging each lane as an individual way with the tags highway=service, the lane # in the name=* tag, and have made it be one-way. I have also done this for each lane going into the tollbooths. See the Mukilteo ferry terminal [1] and Edmonds ferry terminal [2] for examples. I was not the first to do this; it was previously done at some of BC Ferries' terminals, for example take a look at the Tsawwassen terminal [3] and the Horseshoe Bay terminal. [4] What do you guys think of this way of mapping ferry terminals. I know it's kinda going off on a tangent, but I just thought it would be good to bring up.
Also, what is the proper way of mapping ferry routes when the ferries have multiple berths/ docks at a terminal (and they use whatever one they feel like), like in the Horseshoe Bay example, and many BC Ferries' major terminals for that matter? Martijn, could you do a routing test on these ferry routes and tell me how it works? The wiki says to connect ferry routes directly to a road on land rather than another ferry route way in order to ensure proper routing. -Compdude Links: [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/47.94864/-122.30474 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/47.81123/-122.38429 <http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/47.81123/-122.38429&layers=N> [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/49.0074/-123.1309 [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/49.3721/-123.2745 From: Clifford Snow [mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us] Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 7:19 PM To: Paul Johnson Cc: talk-us Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Ferries If we have consensus on what the US thinks is appropriate, then I agree that it belongs on the tag list. Does anyone have objection to bringing a proposal to create a highway=ferry_link tag? I'd especially like to hear from people working with routing (that's you Telenav) Is ferry_link the appropriate tag? The ferries I ride all have a queue area. Do we tag the queues like parking lots with a way through the queue? On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: Probably, but in this conversation's defense, Washington State has the world's largest ferry fleet by far, so it's much more a Washingtonism than anything. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Evin Fairchild <evindf...@gmail.com> wrote: Shouldn't we be discussing this on the tagging mailing list rather than the talk-us mailing list? After all, ferries are all around the world, so we should discuss this at the tagging mailing list rather than here if we want to introduce a new highway=ferry_link tag. -Compdude From: Ivan Komarov [mailto:jkoma...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 9:16 AM To: Paul Johnson Cc: talk-us Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Ferries I'd vote for introducing a new tag, that is highway=ferry_link, rather than trying to use an existing one that does not describe the object correctly. There used to be and there will be disputes on this topic unless we have it fixed. Introducing a new tagging scheme will cause some issues for a while, but on the long run it would work better, I believe. On 8 Nov 2013 07:04, "Paul Johnson" <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: I think highway=unclassified works, particularly if it's the fire lane used for exiting the ferry that's always kept free of the ferry queue; not sure how I'd tag the queue lot. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Greg Troxel <g...@ir.bbn.com> wrote: Martijn van Exel <marti...@telenav.com> writes: > It's the other way around, really. We're adjusting our routing logic > to adapt to OSM. Referring to the wiki, a service road is 'Generally > for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, > industrial estate, business park, etc.' - so by that definition, a > service road would typically only occur at the beginning or the end of > the route, and that's what we tell our routing engine to do. If it > were to turn out that this definition of what a service road is, is in > fact not how it is generally used in mapping, then we'd need to > revisit the wiki (and our routing rules) - but from what I have seen > in my pretty extensive mapping experience in the U.S., the definition > generally holds. So it makes sense to me to suggest a different > tagging for these ferry access routes, not only (and not even > primarily) to satisfy our or any third party logic using the data, but > to bring more consistency to OSM in general. That's fair enough. I got the wrong impression earlier (perhaps my misreading) that this was about a particular routing engine rather than the documented semantics. So perhaps highway=ferry_link, or perhaps the roads should just be highway=unclassified. _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch
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