My 2 mills worth (after inflation): The Florida Turnpike is a toll road (highway=motorway in OSM) with a standard 70 mph speed limit that drops to 25 mph a few dozen yards before the toll plazas (even for SunPass users). Having driven on it for years, I would never consider any section of it to be anything less than motorway, even the low-speed toll plazas.
--jack On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:17 PM, James Mast <rickmastfa...@hotmail.com> wrote: > We can unfortunately add two more changesets where Matt1993 has done this > in the last 24h. [10] [11] > > I've sent him a PM about this to come and join us on [talk-us] to talk > about it, but I bet he's going to 'ignore' it after what he wrote to me on > a changeset in the last day (he must have just discovered it by luck to be > honest). [12] He bashed me as not being 'professional', 'rude' & to send > him a message (I did, it's called the chanageset comment...). I waited 6+ > days (others might have only waited 12h or less) before I attempted to fix > any damage he's done waiting for a response on the changeset (and others > with him too).... [12] My source for the change was 'common sense/Bing' > there because I was repairing the routing for bicycle routes as that's part > of a Bike PA route (as mentioned in the comments of [12]) and I looked at > the area with Bing (plus I've been there before). When he converted it to > a motorway (twice), it broke the bicycle routing in that area. I was > repairing the data there and it was a legit changeset comment on my repair > (links to changesets in comments of [12]). At least I explain what I'm > doing in a changeset and don't use a 'generic' comment on all my > changesets. Plus, a 'Single interchange doesn't = motorway...'. If so, > we'd have several mini motorways segments along US-19 in West Virginia > between I-79 & I-77, where it's a major 'trunk' highway, but has several > interchanges sprinkled along it (the only true motorway segments it has is > from I-77 to it's first interchange (which is where US-19 leaves/joins > Corridor L) and the bypass segment in the Oak Hill area. Anyways, several > other users I talked to agreed with me on this fix for [12] (on and off of > OSM). > > Anyways David, I don't agree with the 'maxspeed:advisory' tag unless the > speed sign is one of the 'yellow' ones. I know the toll plaza on the Ohio > Turnpike on I-76 going into/out-of Pennsylvania uses normal speed limit > signs. Thus, those areas should be with the normal 'maxspeed' tag. > However, I do fully agree with you on the lanes tag. That's how I did it @ > the Gateway Toll Plaza on the I-76 PA Turnpike. [13] Could use some more > fine tuning using the 'turn:lanes' tag however. > > -James > > [10] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34581064 > [11] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34581478 > [12] - <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33674410> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33674410 > [13] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/40.90417/-80.49574 > > > ------------------------------ > From: dwalt...@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:27:05 -0700 > To: g...@ir.bbn.com > CC: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com; talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Downgrading 'motorways' around toll plazas? > > > I also don't think it's reasonable to represent every lane of a toll booth > as a different way or as trunk. I've also tried to contact this user and > received no response. > > I think a better representation is using the lanes tag and > or maxspeed:advisory. > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Greg Troxel <g...@ir.bbn.com> wrote: > > > James Mast <rickmastfa...@hotmail.com> writes: > > > Does anybody think it is a good idea to downgrade 'motorways' around > > toll plazas to 'trunk' highways? I just noticed a user did this in > > mass in NY and MA along I-90/I-87. [1] [2] He's even done this in PA a > > few times. [3] > > No, this is not reasonable. While one might object philosophically to a > tollbooth on an Interstate highway, that's the way the world is, and > noting it as a tollbooth is adequate. > > > I've also noticed several problematic changesets this user has done in > > the past. I've left several comments on some of his changesets [4] > > [5] and he's never responded to them except once, and that was after > > sending him a few PM's (1 per month) till he finally responded only > > partially to my question in it. [6] That leads me to believe that he's > > either completely ignoring the e-mails, or he's not even getting them. > > Also, in that one comment that he did leave (in [6]), he pretty much > > completely ignored my question (if he had been there and saw shields > > for this 'new' route since I don't want to delete 'valid' data) and > > said that he works '12 hour days'. Honestly, if he can still find > > time to do big OSM edits and work for 12 hours a day, can't he spare a > > minute or two to respond to a comment left for him instead of taking 2 > > months to reply? I mean, even if I was busy and somebody left a > > comment on a changeset I did, I would try to make a few minutes to > > respond back within a day or two (week tops) of the comment. This is > > a community project and everybody needs to work together and not > > ignore each other. > > I agree that we should have higher expectations of people working within > the project vs just editing by themselves. > > > Another problem with this user is that he almost always keeps using > > the same changeset comment of "using bing imagery to update map" which > > is completely useless to tell what he's really doing in each > > changeset. > > I also agree that we should have higher expectations of both > geographically smaller changesets (except in limited cases where they > are clearly completely uncontroversial) and more descriptive comments. > Unfortunately it seems that making edits without being willing to engage > with others and non-useful changeset comments are correlated. > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > > _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > >
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