In the debate between Slack vs. Riot, I would definitely go Riot. I am so tired of Slack for so many reasons.
On 06/13/2018 07:00 AM, talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > Send Talk-us mailing list submissions to > talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-us-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-us digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import > in Price George...) (Marc Gemis) > 2. Re: Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import > in Price George...) (Robert Yaklin) > 3. Re: Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning an import > in Price George...) (Marc Gemis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:47:27 +0200 > From: Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> > To: Mike Dupont <jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> > Cc: Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch>, "talk-us@openstreetmap.org" > <talk-us@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning > an import in Price George...) > Message-ID: > <CAJKJX-QrJOAyyDojck+uph27vBGE_9v_rtag36=b5w0zq1j...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > The Belgian community lives now mostly on Riot, we do have an IRC > bridge and different channels to discuss dev or landuse related stuff. > > The main drawback is the lack of threads (ever tried to follow 2 > discussions taking place at the same time, let alone read was said > during the day ?). The not so great search is another problem. > > But for a quick question (with a photo) it's great. > > just my .5 cent > > m > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:13 PM, Mike Dupont > <jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> I have had good experience with riot.im matrix.org it is open source, mobile >> friendly and has an irc gateway. >> >> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:27 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Am 10.06.2018 um 05:21 schrieb Bryan Housel: >>>>> I'm also interested in how others feel about Slack. Is it good for the >>>>> community or should we look elsewhere? >>>> Glad you asked! I think Slack has changed the way I work for the >>>> better. >>>> >>>> Here are some advantages.. >>>> * lower barrier to entry for less technical folks >>>> * great mobile experience >>>> * good for sharing files / screenshots >>>> * works well for both sync and async chat >>>> * emoji reactions, can be used to both cut down on noise comments but >>>> also mark things as read (like our welcome users feed) >>>> * integration with basically everything (GitHub, Stripe, RSS anything >>>> you want really) >>>> * easy to start focused public or private channels and pull a few people >>>> in to a discussion >>>> * ability to mute and set availability times >>>> * user profiles >>>> * decent search >>> You can have all of that with a number of alternatives, matrix for >>> completely open and free, mattermost and so on for less ... >>> .. and these alternatives actually connect with other stuff (say irc). >>> >>>> * everyone is on it >>> That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially >>> force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other >>> competing media (in OSM) so that you can have your nice walled garden. >>> >>> SImon >>> >>>> I really can’t imagine going back to something else. I’d happily pay >>>> for it if they asked me to. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I felt it important to speak up because I’ve noticed a very >>>> common situation when asking for people’s opinion about something, the >>>> people who are happy will stay silent, and the few who have a problem will >>>> be the ones who respond. >>>> >>>> There are currently over 800 people on the OSM-US Slack, and over 3000 >>>> on the GIS Spatial Community Slack. I have no idea how many people are >>>> subscribed to the talk-us mailing list. >>>> >>>> I don’t think we should get rid of mailing lists. We should still copy >>>> things to the talk-us mailing that affect the entire US community. >>>> >>>> Just my thoughts >>>> Thanks, Bryan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-us mailing list >>>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-us mailing list >>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >> >> >> -- >> James Michael DuPont >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:43:34 -0500 > From: Robert Yaklin <ryak...@gmail.com> > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning > an import in Price George...) > Message-ID: > <CABSELfHLdmsqf8R=hprxnr_cao+_yh4pulj8kz3wyo490rm...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > And then you have people like myself who were new to OSM and reading the > docs that say to join mailing list and to send email to mailing list before > doing proposed import of data and get no reply. Maybe the people who would > have replied use other channels and not the mailing list. In any case it > leaves me not feeling particularly welcome. Nor does it encourage me to > invest my time into mapping. At least now that this slack discussion is > happening I have some explanation of why it seemed not many people > participate in the mailing list. I'll never voluntarily install or use > slack and had never heard of it before this discussion. > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:36 PM Ian Dees <ian.d...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:10 PM Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com> wrote: >> >>> Martijn van Exel <m...@rtijn.org> writes: >>> >>>> Hi Simon, >>>> >>>>>> * everyone is on it >>>>> That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially >>>>> force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other >>>>> competing media (in OSM) so that you can have your nice walled garden. >>>> I would argue that it is a good thing that people converge on one >>>> platform to talk about OSM. Whether Slack remains the right choice is >>>> something we can debate. It was really the only feasible choice that >>>> was available to us at the time we (OSM US) felt the need for a better >>>> platform for conversations. Slack has done its job as a for-profit >>>> non-open company well in the sense that we're somewhat locked in >>>> now. I dislike the fact that it is a walled garden, and becoming more >>>> so, as much as anyone who values free and open data and software. If >>>> there is a practical way to improve that situation, we should pursue >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Finally, please stop your unpleasant trolling, it has no place in OSM. >>> Slack is a company with terms some don't like. People should not have >>> to enter into a contract with some random company to participate in OSM. >>> >>> I for one am not on the osmf-us slack, and am likely to continue not >>> being on it. So "everyone is on it" is demonstrably false. >>> >>> Another issue is that we are building open data, and open data and open >>> source go hand in hand philosophically. So it is not surprising that >>> members of the OSM community object to proprietary communications >>> systems. It is surprising that a non-trivial number of OSM people think >>> proprietary communication systems are ok. >>> >>> There is matrix; I haven't tried that, and I've heard positive reports >>> about self-hosted mattermost. >>> >>> Another possibility, which might fix the terms issue but not the >>> proprietary issue, would be for OSMF-US to enter into an agreement with >>> Slack, Inc. in such a way that OSM people do not have to enter into a >>> contract, much as if they were employees. >>> >> As we've said multiple times in this thread, it's totally OK for there to >> be multiple avenues of communication in the OSM community. That has always >> been the case and will continue being the case. If a group of community >> members want to get together on a communications channel, they should do >> that. It's especially OK when the communication channels are so different >> (like Slack/IRC vs. mailing lists). OSM US doesn't require anyone to use >> any particular communication channel and a large swath of the US's most >> engaged mappers are on several (mailing lists, slack, IRC, forum, etc.). >> >> Also, I don't think it's surprising that a vast array of different kinds >> of people participate in OpenStreetMap. Some of those people are interested >> and passionate in OpenStreetMap because of its relation to the Open Source >> movement, and some people want to contribute to a community project. I'm >> sure there are plenty of other reasons why people are part of this >> community – we should be welcoming to all of them, not just the ones that >> are passionate about Open Source. >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20180612/4b3f12d7/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:55:43 +0200 > From: Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> > To: ryak...@gmail.com > Cc: "talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap" > <talk-us@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Slack: Do we need an Alternative (was Planning > an import in Price George...) > Message-ID: > <cajkjx-to4wy5xvkktgzib2pxm4-cskpsvd-8a_7z7n6vbjr...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Robert, > > I quickly looked at the talk-us and talk-us-import archives > (https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/ and > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports-us/ ) I do not see > any mail from you in April/May/June. Did you send the email about your > import request to one of those mailing lists ? > Since your email is not in the achives (as far as I can see), it > explains why you did not get any reaction so far. > > regards > > m > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 6:24 AM Robert Yaklin <ryak...@gmail.com> wrote: >> And then you have people like myself who were new to OSM and reading the >> docs that say to join mailing list and to send email to mailing list before >> doing proposed import of data and get no reply. Maybe the people who would >> have replied use other channels and not the mailing list. In any case it >> leaves me not feeling particularly welcome. Nor does it encourage me to >> invest my time into mapping. At least now that this slack discussion is >> happening I have some explanation of why it seemed not many people >> participate in the mailing list. I'll never voluntarily install or use slack >> and had never heard of it before this discussion. >> >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:36 PM Ian Dees <ian.d...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:10 PM Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com> wrote: >>>> Martijn van Exel <m...@rtijn.org> writes: >>>> >>>>> Hi Simon, >>>>> >>>>>>> * everyone is on it >>>>>> That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially >>>>>> force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other >>>>>> competing media (in OSM) so that you can have your nice walled garden. >>>>> I would argue that it is a good thing that people converge on one >>>>> platform to talk about OSM. Whether Slack remains the right choice is >>>>> something we can debate. It was really the only feasible choice that >>>>> was available to us at the time we (OSM US) felt the need for a better >>>>> platform for conversations. Slack has done its job as a for-profit >>>>> non-open company well in the sense that we're somewhat locked in >>>>> now. I dislike the fact that it is a walled garden, and becoming more >>>>> so, as much as anyone who values free and open data and software. If >>>>> there is a practical way to improve that situation, we should pursue >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, please stop your unpleasant trolling, it has no place in OSM. >>>> Slack is a company with terms some don't like. People should not have >>>> to enter into a contract with some random company to participate in OSM. >>>> >>>> I for one am not on the osmf-us slack, and am likely to continue not >>>> being on it. So "everyone is on it" is demonstrably false. >>>> >>>> Another issue is that we are building open data, and open data and open >>>> source go hand in hand philosophically. So it is not surprising that >>>> members of the OSM community object to proprietary communications >>>> systems. It is surprising that a non-trivial number of OSM people think >>>> proprietary communication systems are ok. >>>> >>>> There is matrix; I haven't tried that, and I've heard positive reports >>>> about self-hosted mattermost. >>>> >>>> Another possibility, which might fix the terms issue but not the >>>> proprietary issue, would be for OSMF-US to enter into an agreement with >>>> Slack, Inc. in such a way that OSM people do not have to enter into a >>>> contract, much as if they were employees. >>> >>> As we've said multiple times in this thread, it's totally OK for there to >>> be multiple avenues of communication in the OSM community. That has always >>> been the case and will continue being the case. If a group of community >>> members want to get together on a communications channel, they should do >>> that. It's especially OK when the communication channels are so different >>> (like Slack/IRC vs. mailing lists). OSM US doesn't require anyone to use >>> any particular communication channel and a large swath of the US's most >>> engaged mappers are on several (mailing lists, slack, IRC, forum, etc.). >>> >>> Also, I don't think it's surprising that a vast array of different kinds of >>> people participate in OpenStreetMap. Some of those people are interested >>> and passionate in OpenStreetMap because of its relation to the Open Source >>> movement, and some people want to contribute to a community project. I'm >>> sure there are plenty of other reasons why people are part of this >>> community – we should be welcoming to all of them, not just the ones that >>> are passionate about Open Source. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-us mailing list >>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Talk-us Digest, Vol 127, Issue 11 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
