But the Forest Service itself is showing the outer boundary on it's websites, as I've mentioned above. On the higher resolution web map, there is only a faint difference in lighter green / darker green color to show which land within the official boundary is privately or federally owned, and this distinction is not even mentioned in the map legend:
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/klamath/maps-pubs/?cid=fseprd533703&width=full And my experience is that only the outermost boundary has official signs saying "entering Klamath National Forest". If you drive into a checkerboard area of private/public land, there are no Forest Service signs at the limits of private land. - Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 4:36 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 7:11 PM Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I believe there might be an issue with these complex multipolygons which >> is preventing osm2pgsql from handling them. Perhaps it is because nodes are >> shared between two outer rings? >> >> However, I also want to note that it is not clear to me that the new >> mapping is correct. >> >> The new outer boundaries for the Superior National Forest are very >> complex and only cover a small portion of the land within the National >> Forest outer boundary: >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11558095 >> >> Compare the official National Forest web map: >> https://usfs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=03a17ac9df1a4cd0bcc872ac996e7231 >> - this matches the older, simpler boundary that was in OpenStreetMap >> previously. Also see this map on the Forest website: >> https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_MEDIA/stelprdb5130373.pdf >> >> It appears that the new, complex relation is attempting to map what land >> is owned by the Federal government, rather than mapping the legal boundary >> of the National Forest. Is that correct? >> >> I believe this is a misinterpretation of the meaning of >> boundary=protected_area. >> > > They're both 'legal' boundaries. > > The simple outer boundary of a National Forest is 'the area in which the > Forest Service is authorized to purchase land without a new Act of Congress > expanding the forest.' It's not signed in the field and has very little > effect upon the actual land management. It's generally all that the > enabling act of Congress specifies; the rest is done by having the law > authorize the Executive Branch to determine the status of parcels within > the legislated boundary. > > The outer boundary also generally excludes all 'inholdings' - private > holdings that are enclosed by the national forest. > > It gives a more pleasant rendering at low zoom levels while still giving a > sense of where the National Forest is, but does not reflect the situation > in the field. > > The 'patchwork quilt' area is the area actually owned by the Federal > Government and administered by the Forest Service. It's normally what will > be posted in the field, and it's the area that actually enjoys the > protection. > > For many Federally-administered land areas, there's also a third category: > land on which the Federal government owns a conservation easement > (essentially, the right to develop the land) but the land ownership (the > right to exclude others) is private. There are huge pieces of wildlife > refuges where Uncle Sam owns the hunting and development rights, but some > farmer or forester owns and works the land. > > Most people in the general public would recognize only the most > restrictive definition in the field, since that is what's signed. A duck > hunter would look at an official map to see which of the private parcels > comprising a wildlife refuge are open to the public for hunting in season. > Very few people except the real estate lawyers care about the outermost > boundary, except to give something that can yield a readable rendering on > small-scale maps. > > I'm all for making the boundary follow the legal designation that has the > greatest effect and is visibly signed. > -- > 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin >
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