Thanks for all the responses. I've mostly got things working, but Hugh's comment about Wayland being “[c]ompatible for X applications. Not users” rings true. It's a horrid thing to dump on users, suddenly finding that Ctrl-X,C,V no longer work, and familiar apps fail silently.
The main (and most annoying, because it was blocking a password manager and bank logins I had to do in a hurry) culprit was Firefox. In order for copy and paste to work, it seems you have to set MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 Very oddly, xclip still works. It probably shouldn't. I'm glad it does, as I've based pbcopy/pbpaste clones (they're a mac thing) on top of it and they get heavy, heavy usage. For screenshotting, Gnome Screenshot seems to be what I have to use. Can't seem to find something for the command line: * ImageMagick's import (thanks for the suggestion, Mario) doesn't work with Wayland: "unable to read X window image `root': Resource temporarily unavailable" * Wayland's own command line screenshot tool 'grim' doesn't work either: "wl_registry@2: error 0: invalid version for global wl_output (4): have 2, wanted 3 ... compositor doesn't support wlr-screencopy-unstable-v1". This is coming on for Windows Quality Software usefulness. I'm also making heavier use of Firefox's Take Screenshot browser action: hit Ctrl + Shift + S on (almost) any page, and you can save the visible area, the whole page, or even a block element and it'll copy or save as you wish. Having a huge block with desktop sharing: VNC doesn't seem to have access to the screen at all any more. A pain, because VNC is how I access most of my remote machines. "ssh -X" is lumpy and painfully slow under Wayland. I'm having seemingly random Gnome apps needing GDK_BACKEND=x11 or else they'll core dump. But this doesn't happen too often. I realize a small amount of change is necessary in every upgrade: hey, I'm still on team "Mouse-over to focus is best, fight me" from my Sun days, but that was something we lost more than a decade ago. But for me, this is an equivalent UX change of "alias emacs=vi", and I thought Linux didn't do open user hostility any more. cheers, Stewart --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk