On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Jon Baer wrote: > I think that people coming from procedural PHP tend to have a harder > time getting into MVC styled programming. Especially if a complete > framework is the very next thing they look @ without OO programing.[...]
Yes. Speaking as a sort of perpetual semi-pro dilettante with a non-programming-related day job, I think I can understand this issue. CakePHP can make you weep -- with joy. You do a couple things and BANG! It's working. I have stared at the screen, jaws agape, and said holy f__ I can't believe it. Wow. I was so pleased, I gave them all $23.47 that happened to be in my PayPal account. Then again, if you are a lowly foot soldier and not really that experienced and/or not that clever, CakePHP has the ability to make you weep. You want to do one simple thing that isn't exactly a CRUD operation on something that isn't quite your run-of-the-mill entity like the good old Blog entry of tutorial fame, and suddenly it's so absurdly hard -- or else you're just not getting it, in which case it's still absurdly hard -- and there you are contorting and sweating until you just say f__ it and decide you're better off doing it by hand after all. Maybe the answer is you're both right -- you CakePHP master bakers, and you detractors who bash it for want of documentation. It's great and marvelous and wonderful, and harder than hell for people who need a little more hand-holding. PS to Nate, nice to see some appreciation for Cole Porter/Ol' Blue Eyes! --- David Mintz http://davidmintz.org/ En Nueva York el tr?nsito de la belleza a la desolaci?n sucede siempre expeditivamente, como si el principio universal de m?xima eficiencia hubiera aconsejado la supresi?n de gradaciones intermedias. -- Antonio Mu?oz Molina, Ventanas de Manhattan _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
