I can't seem to locate enough detailed information on the basis for that
PHP usage graph to comment.
But I would think it silly, were there to be a Graph showing PHP
declining steadily, on the PHP site. =D
-Ed
Kristina Anderson wrote:
This looks really interesting, but they say that
"In the April 2008 survey we received responses from 165,719,150 sites.
Most of this month's growth of 3.1 million sites is seen in the US,
with Google's Blogger service alone adding 1.1 million extra sites."
But the graph below says that total active sites (red line) number
slightly more than 66,400,000 ...?
Are they including inactive sites in their number of +/- 20 million
sites using PHP? If so how would that affect the accuracy of this
survey? (i.e. if someone goes out and buys a domain, then replies to
this survey saying "we are going to use PHP" but never actually does
so...?)
--Kristina
Would this work for quantifying PHP usage:
http://www.php.net/usage.php
Now find that CF usage link and compare the two.
-Anthony
Webmaster wrote:
Kristina Anderson wrote:
Ed, I agree, it would be great if we could find some methodology
that
could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt on an empirical basis that
PHP
is a more popular platform than Cold Fusion. I can't adequately
defend my contention to your exacting standards at the present
moment,
because you're right, I don't have the data. But I believe that
the
data is gatherable and that my theory is valid.
I do too. But I would like it quantified as well.
So anyone have any ideas how to do that, links, information,
empirical
studies, etc. etc & etc ... bring 'em on.
We could do an empirical analysis of job postings on 10 or so
general
tech job boards over a time period of a year...?
That sounds interesting.
PS Ed, your own link to the TIOBE website showed that they listed
Cold
Fusion at the bottom of the popularity grid...and PHP was in the
top
half. But you're saying that you have "problems with their
methodology", OK. But you can have problems with any methodology
or
means of proof, and that in and of itself is an emotional
response...based on your beliefs and temperament...and btw there's
nothing wrong with that! :=]
I believe this to be a straw man.
I never said I had "problems with their methodology". I said "which
i
think are erroneous", and logically so.
I posted a link to the 2 illogical assumptions that support the
TIOBE
indexes as being fallacious.
I will clearly list them here, as it seems you didn't follow that
link
(poor scholarship):
# that the number of search engine hits for the phrase “/foo/
programming” is proportional to the “popularity” of that language.
# that the proportionality /is the same for different languages/.
It is therefore logically unsound to deduce that the TIOBE indexes
are
correct in a truly accurate esteem.
All they are graphing reduces to search engine results, and nothing
more.
I mean let's face it, people have "proved beyond doubt" all sorts
of
things which flat out ain't so, right?
-- Kristina
I'm not sure what you are looking to express with that (perhaps
rhetorical?) question.
<X>Out of curiosity<X>
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What would be an example of something "proved beyond doubt"
that "flat
out ain't so"?
(Please refrain from listing some historic event of ignorance, such
as
meat becoming maggots or the Earth being flat. We are discussing a
comparison of actual market holding betwixt two modern programming
languages. Feel free to respond off list.)
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In fact, there is not a clearly quantified amount of conclusive
information to accurately deduce that PHP (or any other language)
holds
this or that particular portion of the 'market'. Therefore, to
propose
we find a 'reason' for PHP holding the majority of the 'market
share',
is pure nonsense, as we do not know that PHP holds such a portion.
We
may as well propose to find a reason for which Coldfusion holds the
largest share of the market, or Python, or Flex, or Java, or
COBOL...
Perhaps this thread may be a catalyst to develop a better means of
accurately surveying language utilization in a granular fashion.
-Ed
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