Brice,

The Insert-Arrow keys are used to help navigate the Windows 8 start 
screen, not the desktop. If you're using Windows 8 press the Windows key 
to open the start screen, and you should hear Window-Eyes speak 
something like, "Mail, R1 C1."

If you use the Insert-Arrow keys when in a normal list view, Window-Eyes 
interprets that as your desire to virtually explore the control, which 
can only be done if details are shown-- which, in the case of the 
desktop, they aren't. Hence the confusing error message.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Steve

On 3/20/2015 11:35 AM, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> Top bottom was checked, so that wasn't the problem. Okay, we are 
> sitting at the Desktop on a windows 8.1. My first tile says mail. 
> according to the tutorial I am listening to the top tile says one of 
> X, X meaning the amount of tiles on the desktop. My system is not 
> giving me this info.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Kingston" 
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> To: "Brice Mijares" <bricemija...@att.net>; "Window-Eyes Discussion 
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: need help
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>
>> Brice,
>>
>> Go to Verbosity, Common, Miscellaneous. There is Speak top/bottom 
>> index and Speak current index.
>>
>> If you don't see these turn on Show advanced options under Help.
>>
>> Hth,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 3/17/2015 12:12 PM, Brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>>> In wineyes control panel I can't locate where I can turn on window eyes
>>> to echo  the number of items in a list. For instance, if on the 
>>> desktop,
>>> my Documents, 1 of 15. I don't get any of this feedback on my new 
>>> laptop
>>> that I'm trying to learn. Windows 8.1 must be allot different than the
>>> G W webinars for windows 8.
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